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    I hope she would be considered (considering also how well the other contenders do at Nationals). IIRC, after Ross Miner withdrew from his first Nationals as a Senior he was named to the Junior World team because he had had such a strong fall season, though he ended up withdrawing from Junior Worlds also.

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    Karen Chen's name has been added to the Junior Ladies roster as a Bye: http://www.usfsa.org/content/2014%20qualifiers.pdf

    However...
    Quote Originally Posted by toddlj View Post
    On her blog as recently as last week (11/20) she still seemed to be hoping to go to Nationals.

    http://gokarenchen.wordpress.com/201...inal/#comments
    In the blog comments, "fractured ankle" (hearsay) is mentioned by others but NOT confirmed by Karen herself. If a fracture is in fact involved, then her status for Nationals may still be up in the air. Only time will tell, of course.

    ETA: I wonder if she skips nationals, If USFSA would make an exception for her and send her to Jr. Worlds anyway? If someone was ever worth an exception it would be her, considering the points she racked up this season.
    If she ends up not competing at Nationals, I think it's possible she will be considered, depending on how well she recovers and also how others skate in Boston (as RFOS mentioned above).
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    Thanks, Sylvia. I'm glad to see that she's not out yet.

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    For senior ladies there are 21 participants at Nationals. This is a very deep field.
    19 (!) of those ladies have achieved minimum scores to compete internationally; only Forte (she competed last internationally at Skate America in 2011) and Chiera (has not competed internationally) have not.
    Forte and Chiera are also the only two who aren't in the ISP.

    Eastern
    Kiri Baga (SC of Boston)
    Franchesca Chiera (Panthers FSC)
    Joelle Forte (SC of New York)
    Yasmin Siraj (SC of Boston)

    Midwestern
    Mariah Bell (Rocky Mountain FSC)
    Ashley Cain (Stars FSC of Texas)
    Barbie Long (Illinois Valley FSC)
    Hannah Miller (Lansing SC)

    Pacific Coast
    Rachael Flatt (St. Moritz ISC)
    Leah Keiser (All Year FSC)
    Vanessa Lam (All Year FSC)
    Caroline Zhang (All Year FSC)

    Bye
    Samantha Cesario (SC of New York)
    Polina Edmunds (Peninsula SC)
    Christina Gao (SC of Boston)
    Gracie Gold (Wagon Wheel FSC)
    Courtney Hicks (All Year FSC)
    Mirai Nagasu (Pasadena FSC)
    Ashley Wagner (SC of Wilmington)
    Angela Wang (Salt Lake Figure Skating)
    Agnes Zawadzki (Broadmoor SC)
    Last edited by toddlj; 11-26-2013 at 09:04 PM.

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    ^ Wait, Kiri is now at the SC of Boston?!?! Since when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    ^ Wait, Kiri is now at the SC of Boston?!?! Since when?
    Since she moved to Boston for pairs training this past summer and to start college: http://www.figureskatersonline.com/k...a/journal.html
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    ^ Wait, Kiri is now at the SC of Boston?!?! Since when?
    This summer. She started studying at Simmons College this fall, I believe, so SCOB is the closest skating rink to her college in Fenway. Also, I think she and Toth stopped skating together this summer so Kiri was then free to go to college and train where she pleased, and Boston was obviously a good choice for both.

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    Mark and Peter do not tech good jump technique. They never have. Their students are WELL-TRAINED aka they do lots of run throughs which usually leads to decent consistency, and they are packaged well, so that's why SCOB skaters have done reasonably well and some quite well, but none of them really have good jump technique unless they are imported from somewhere else (eg. Gao and Baga, who had all the triples before they came to Mark and Peter). Training hard and doing lots of runthroughs will only take you so far if your jump technique is average at best, which is what we're starting to see with Yasmin and Ross IMO. They are trained and in-shape, but the teknik is just not reliable and the result is jumps that don't happen in competition. I also think Christina's jumps looked better under Orser, save the 2a (which still has a weird technique) and maybe the 3lo (though I attribute this more to her doing 3lo more now as she includes it in her SP), even though her consistency, physical strength, and stamina seem better under Mark and Peter. SCOB has some pretty good pairs coaches though so Yasmin could be a promising prospect for that, although being a lefty won't help matters at all and I think she's about 5'2" now so it's not like she's super tiny anymore.

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    Courtney Hicks just won an event over Miki And: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mz-MUHTV40

    Holy cow, IMO, her triple lutz is really the best of all current ladies skating, Gracie included. Hers is high, fast, covers a lot of ice, and has a smooth, fast, flowing landing. Love it! Both of her lutzes scored postive GOE. The second lutz in particular was fantastic. Her jumps are starting to remind me of my favorite jumper of all time, Midori Ito.

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    Re: Courtney....there is no merit to enormous jumps under this system if you can't show a solid/flowy and controlled landing (for GOE and impact). She hooks the landing of every jump but that pretty lutz, she shows little to no body control on most landings, and the effect of the jumps is marred significantly. That hurts when her largest merit in skating is her jumps, after all.

    Midori had those enormous jumps, but she could control them and show solid outflowing landings that did not hook. Massively impressive that Midori was able to achieve such a feat. I wish that Courtney could hone that ability!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmcC102 View Post
    Courtney Hicks just won an event over Miki And: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mz-MUHTV40

    Holy cow, IMO, her triple lutz is really the best of all current ladies skating, Gracie included. Hers is high, fast, covers a lot of ice, and has a smooth, fast, flowing landing. Love it! Both of her lutzes scored postive GOE. The second lutz in particular was fantastic. Her jumps are starting to remind me of my favorite jumper of all time, Midori Ito.
    Those are huge, high lutzes!! Hope the judges don't ignore her at Nationals.......but I'm not holding my breath.

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    Hicks has the jumps but little else. I'd rather watch Alissa just stroke across the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnyxRose81 View Post
    Hicks has the jumps but little else. I'd rather watch Alissa just stroke across the ice.
    Bless Alissa. But if skating were just all stroking, she would still succumb to nerves. Ten seconds into her program she would slid across the ice like Bambi with her gangly legs up in the air, very unladylike, and then hit the boards with a big thud.

    Skating is a sport. Courtney has a lot of improvements to be made but I love seeing her fearless jumping out there on the ice. Good for her. I'm still not rooting for her to take that third spot though.

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    Loved that from Courtney. She looks much less frenetic. Hope she skates that was at Nats.
    DH - and that's just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnyxRose81 View Post
    Hicks has the jumps but little else. I'd rather watch Alissa just stroke across the ice.
    Not me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddlj View Post
    For senior ladies there are 21 participants at Nationals. This is a very deep field.
    19 (!) of those ladies have achieved minimum scores to compete internationally; only Forte (she competed last internationally at Skate America in 2011) and Chiera (has not competed internationally) have not.
    Forte and Chiera are also the only two who aren't in the ISP.

    Eastern
    Kiri Baga (SC of Boston)
    Franchesca Chiera (Panthers FSC)
    Joelle Forte (SC of New York)
    Yasmin Siraj (SC of Boston)

    Midwestern
    Mariah Bell (Rocky Mountain FSC)
    Ashley Cain (Stars FSC of Texas)
    Barbie Long (Illinois Valley FSC)
    Hannah Miller (Lansing SC)

    Pacific Coast
    Rachael Flatt (St. Moritz ISC)
    Leah Keiser (All Year FSC)
    Vanessa Lam (All Year FSC)
    Caroline Zhang (All Year FSC)

    Bye
    Samantha Cesario (SC of New York)
    Polina Edmunds (Peninsula SC)
    Christina Gao (SC of Boston)
    Gracie Gold (Wagon Wheel FSC)
    Courtney Hicks (All Year FSC)
    Mirai Nagasu (Pasadena FSC)
    Ashley Wagner (SC of Wilmington)
    Angela Wang (Salt Lake Figure Skating)
    Agnes Zawadzki (Broadmoor SC)
    With the exception of Alissa, everyone with any sort of rep has made it to Nationals. I hope it's an interesting, exciting competition.

    Polina is skating as a Senior at Nationals, eh?

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    Just watched Courtney skate - my goodness she is so sloppy! After this season, she needs to get into a dance class and work on her basic skating!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnyxRose81 View Post
    Hicks has the jumps but little else. I'd rather watch Alissa just stroke across the ice.
    ^^^
    THIS! Courtney is a lovely girl but she's a jumper. Nothing more going on for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by apatinar View Post
    Just watched Courtney skate - my goodness she is so sloppy! After this season, she needs to get into a dance class and work on her basic skating!
    ^^^
    And THIS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenway2 View Post
    Bless Alissa. But if skating were just all stroking, she would still succumb to nerves. Ten seconds into her program she would slid across the ice like Bambi with her gangly legs up in the air, very unladylike, and then hit the boards with a big thud.

    Skating is a sport. Courtney has a lot of improvements to be made but I love seeing her fearless jumping out there on the ice. Good for her. I'm still not rooting for her to take that third spot though.
    LOL at your first sentence. This is true.

    I agree that skating is a sport but CH needs so much more refinement before I'm okay with her getting on any Olympic teams.

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