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    U.S. Ladies [#9]: Battle to/in Boston

    Copying chipso1's format ...

    Neither Gold (177.81, 4th) nor Nagasu (141.71, 8th) improved on their international total scores at NHK Trophy.

    Karen Chen posted on her official site that she has withdrawn from the JGP Final due to an ankle injury. She should be able to keep her bye in Junior Ladies to Nationals. Angela Wang is the first alternate to the Final and will be named as soon as Chen's WD is officially confirmed on the USFS and/or ISU sites.

    2013-14 U.S. Ladies

    Top International Scores (through 11/11/13)
    1. Ashley WAGNER, Skate America (193.81)
    2. Gracie GOLD, Skate Canada (186.65)
    3. Karen CHEN, JGP Slovakia (179.08) - JR in U.S.
    4. Christina GAO, Skate Canada (173.69)
    5. Courtney HICKS, U.S. Classic (171.88)
    6. Polina EDMUNDS, JGP Mexico (171.21)

    7. Samantha CESARIO, Skate America (167.98)
    8. Mirai NAGASU, Finlandia Trophy (164.51)
    9. Amber GLENN, JGP Czech Republic (164.18) - JR in U.S.
    10. Ashley CAIN, Nebelhorn Trophy (162.39)
    11. Angela WANG, JGP Czech Republic (155.87)
    12. Mariah BELL, JGP Mexico (153.17)

    13. Vanessa LAM, Finlandia Trophy (152.28)
    14. Agnes ZAWADZKI, U.S. Classic (151.27)
    15. Kiri BAGA, Coupe de Nice (150.48)
    16. Barbie LONG, JGP Slovakia (148.19)
    17. Tyler PIERCE, JGP Estonia (143.91) - JR in U.S.
    18. Yasmin SIRAJ, JGP Latvia (142.32)

    19. Rachael FLATT, Coupe de Nice (130.18)
    20. Hannah MILLER, JGP Estonia (128.20)
    21. Caroline ZHANG, Skate America (110.12)

    Upcoming events:
    • Trophee Bompard: CESARIO, GAO, WAGNER
    • Ice Challenge: HICKS
    • Rostelecom Cup: NAGASU, ZAWADZKI
    • JGP Final: CHEN , EDMUNDS, Angela WANG (1st alternate)
    • GP Final: TBD
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    Bummed for Chen but great opportunity for Wang. With a good result, she sets herself up for a serious contender for Sochi

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    Yeah, I'm really sad for Karen. There are a lot of strong ladies on the JGP this season but they are all tightly bunched in terms of high scores which meant Karen had a great shot at gold this year.

    I'm sad about that but I'm happy Angela gets this chance. I still think she has the potential to be a future champion in this sport. Both of her programs are great and she has beautiful quality jumps...when she lands them. She's struggled a lot this season but hopefully she'll be able to use this opportunity to get ahead. If Angela can hit on her jumps, she has as good a shot at gold as any of the top ladies.

    I really hope she's able to deliver. Get better soon Karen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    Bummed for Chen but great opportunity for Wang. With a good result, she sets herself up for a serious contender for Sochi
    Angela has all of the potential in the world; some very difficult jump combinations, great technique, and grace/elegance to boot. I could definitely see her as US champion sometime in the next quad. But I'd be very surprised if she was in contention for Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddlj View Post
    Angela has all of the potential in the world; some very difficult jump combinations, great technique, and grace/elegance to boot. I could definitely see her as US champion sometime in the next quad. But I'd be very surprised if she was in contention for Sochi.
    She'd have to kick some serious ass at nationals but I could see it happening. Think about it: other than Ashley, what other American lady has had an impact on the GP so far this season?

    Gracie is scoring better than last year but she hasn't wowed anyone yet. Her SP at SC was very good but her FS was bad. Her SP at NHK was mediocre and her FS was okay but still far below what she's capable of. That said, barring an epic meltdown she will go to Sochi b/c even with her mediocre skating, she's scoring well enough to stay in the top 10 in Sochi.

    Courtney has the technical firepower but she will be buried in PCS...

    Samantha has the necessary programs and presence to really pull off a 3rd place finish but her content level has to be raised in order to compete.

    Agnes was terrible at her first event, Mirai was worse, and neither of them are known for skating all that well on the GP...


    Angela has all of the jumps (better technique than nearly all of the top ladies), the difficulty and the levels necessary to score well. Her programs are gorgeous and she presents herself well. I think if she had a stellar SP she'd score well but her PCS would be low. If she delivered in the FS, her PCS would jump and she very well could make it on the team. Same goes for Polina Edmunds.

    Other than Ashley, the American senior ladies are quite a disappointment so far. Maybe that will change in the next few weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    She'd have to kick some serious ass at nationals but I could see it happening. Think about it: other than Ashley, what other American lady has had an impact on the GP so far this season?

    Gracie is scoring better than last year but she hasn't wowed anyone yet. Her SP at SC was very good but her FS was bad. Her SP at NHK was mediocre and her FS was okay but still far below what she's capable of. That said, barring an epic meltdown she will go to Sochi b/c even with her mediocre skating, she's scoring well enough to stay in the top 10 in Sochi.

    Courtney has the technical firepower but she will be buried in PCS...

    Samantha has the necessary programs and presence to really pull off a 3rd place finish but her content level has to be raised in order to compete.

    Agnes was terrible at her first event, Mirai was worse, and neither of them are known for skating all that well on the GP...


    Angela has all of the jumps (better technique than nearly all of the top ladies), the difficulty and the levels necessary to score well. Her programs are gorgeous and she presents herself well. I think if she had a stellar SP she'd score well but her PCS would be low. If she delivered in the FS, her PCS would jump and she very well could make it on the team. Same goes for Polina Edmunds.

    Other than Ashley, the American senior ladies are quite a disappointment so far. Maybe that will change in the next few weeks...
    You've left out Gao, but other than that, I agree with your assessment. In fact, if Angela skated lights out at Nats, and ended up on the podium, they'd be smart to send her to Sochi as "the future". (I'm a little less sold on Polina's readiness at this point, just because she's still so gangly. But I like her charisma.)

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    Really bummed for Karen, but agree with all that this is a huge opportunity for Angela. She has fabulous jumps, edges and overall presentation but she needs to show she can have a solid SP and LP. For US skating Angela is the best possible substitute for Karen.

    Hope Karen recovers quickly and can train full throttle for Nationals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddlj View Post
    You've left out Gao, but other than that, I agree with your assessment. In fact, if Angela skated lights out at Nats, and ended up on the podium, they'd be smart to send her to Sochi as "the future". (I'm a little less sold on Polina's readiness at this point, just because she's still so gangly. But I like her charisma.)
    Damn! I completely forgot about Christina...which tends to be the problem IMO. She had two strong skates at her first event and she has a chance to build on that at TEB. Of all the 3rd spot contenders, she's doing the best right now...but Christina really has to step it up even more.

    Polina isn't that gangly to me. One of the things that struck me about her was that she has these long limbs but seems very aware of them and doesn't come off looking half as awkward as other 15 year olds with that kind of length. She's done well on the junior level but I'm not so sure how her jumps will hold up under the scrutiny of the technical callers on the senior level. But I do think strong skates from her could put her in the mix.

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    I would say Polina is more consistent and the better competitor, but Angela has better skating skills and better presentation. Polina would be more subject to downgrades and junior PCS scoring. Angela is more likely to make mistakes, but her skating itself is top-notch Senior. I like both of them very much.

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    ^^Me too.

    What it comes down to is none of the 3rd place hopefuls are making a strong case for themselves so far which means the field is wide open at nationals for whoever wants that spot to come and get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyBut View Post
    I would say Polina is more consistent and the better competitor, but Angela has better skating skills and better presentation. Polina would be more subject to downgrades and junior PCS scoring. Angela is more likely to make mistakes, but her skating itself is top-notch Senior. I like both of them very much.
    We get to see how they do head-to-head in a little over three weeks! (where they'll also be facing 4 very talented Russian ladies.)

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    I'm excited for the JGPF this year. Unlike the last few years there is no clear cut winner. They are all amazing and they're very evenly matched in terms of ability as well. It should be a great competition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I'm excited for the JGPF this year. Unlike the last few years there is no clear cut winner. They are all amazing and they're very evenly matched in terms of ability as well. It should be a great competition!
    US fans should brace themselves for a possible Russian sweep; but I hope the US ladies can skate cleanly and stay in the medal hunt. If Angela can start with the 61+ SP she had at Czech JGP, it will hold up well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    She'd have to kick some serious ass at nationals but I could see it happening. Think about it: other than Ashley, what other American lady has had an impact on the GP so far this season?

    Gracie is scoring better than last year but she hasn't wowed anyone yet. Her SP at SC was very good but her FS was bad. Her SP at NHK was mediocre and her FS was okay but still far below what she's capable of. That said, barring an epic meltdown she will go to Sochi b/c even with her mediocre skating, she's scoring well enough to stay in the top 10 in Sochi.

    Courtney has the technical firepower but she will be buried in PCS...

    Samantha has the necessary programs and presence to really pull off a 3rd place finish but her content level has to be raised in order to compete.

    Agnes was terrible at her first event, Mirai was worse, and neither of them are known for skating all that well on the GP...


    Angela has all of the jumps (better technique than nearly all of the top ladies), the difficulty and the levels necessary to score well. Her programs are gorgeous and she presents herself well. I think if she had a stellar SP she'd score well but her PCS would be low. If she delivered in the FS, her PCS would jump and she very well could make it on the team. Same goes for Polina Edmunds.

    Other than Ashley, the American senior ladies are quite a disappointment so far. Maybe that will change in the next few weeks...
    Samantha could be the dark horse for 3rd but I don't think the USFS would allow it because she doesn't have the "name." It's amazing she is a skater nobody really talked about a year ago. I like how she has taken the opportunity and ran with it.

    Mirai is toast. I doubt they will go with Agnes either because she keeps imploding - also, Agnes jinxed herself with the media attention and letting herself get excited over the third spot. Just because she was third for two years doesn't mean she will be third this year. My bet is on Christina (steadily improving and everyone wants her out of 5th) or Courtney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddlj View Post
    US fans should brace themselves for a possible Russian sweep; but I hope the US ladies can skate cleanly and stay in the medal hunt. If Angela can start with the 61+ SP she had at Czech JGP, it will hold up well.
    Let the Russians sweep. We saw what happened with the US after back to back sweeps in 2007 and 2008. Things can change in 2,3 years and most of those girls will grow and lose their jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
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    Thanks for starting this, Sylvia! I promise I will update again after TEB...life got crazy last weekend.

    I think it's very impressive that Chen's JGP score is still holding up as the third best among U.S. ladies this season. I hope she can recover by Nationals; I look forward to see what she, Amber Glenn and Tyler Pierce do in the junior ladies event. Should be another great competition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafygreens View Post
    Samantha could be the dark horse for 3rd but I don't think the USFS would allow it because she doesn't have the "name." It's amazing she is a skater nobody really talked about a year ago. I like how she has taken the opportunity and ran with it. .
    Cesario has trouble getting third because the highest short program score she's got is about 56, and her lp tes is also not high enough. That's because she flutzes, so she cannot do more than one in competition. That, and not getting level 4s on spins and steps

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    Cesario has time to improve her spins and footwork. She is probably stuck with the flutz.

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    That's too bad about Karen; she had a good chance at first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Camel View Post
    Cesario has time to improve her spins and footwork. She is probably stuck with the flutz.
    The levels and the URs will cost her dearly.

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