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    How Did This 3Lz Get Downgrade??

    At 1:00

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E_Szyqvrg0

    It looks fully rotated... If anything, it looks over-rotated to me...

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    She hooks the landing.

    Which I'm sure the tech panel with their frame-by-frame super-slo-mo noticed.

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    Arguably a harsh call, but over-rotated?!

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    It looks to me like an under-rotation but not a downgrade.
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    To me, it looks like it's within the 1/4 turn rotation. No idea how the tech panel saw a down grade. The landing was barely hooked, she did almost all the rotation in the air.

    ETA to add that the protocols said it was an underrotation, not a downgrade. But that doesn't lower my skepticism that it was within a 1/4 turn

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    Questionable.

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    It doesn't look particularly short in real time from the youtube video, but that is not the video the technical panel uses to examine jumps. Things can look strikingly different from different angles, and the panel can watch in slow-motion or even freeze-frame the video of the landing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acraven View Post
    It doesn't look particularly short in real time from the youtube video, but that is not the video the technical panel uses to examine jumps. Things can look strikingly different from different angles, and the panel can watch in slow-motion or even freeze-frame the video of the landing.
    ITA. From the angle, this is definitely not the same view the tech panel has. It is impossible to know what they saw and it is completely irrelevant what it looks like from this angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    Questionable.
    Very. Mirai can't catch a break.

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    Deleted, my mistake.
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    Nitpicky call IMO. It seemed within the 1/4 rule

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    Oh for crying out loud. "Questionable" "nitpicky" "harsh"? These are internationally qualified ISU-certified Technical Specialists, who train nearly as much as the skaters do, who would have had a better angle on that jump and the ability to slo-mo, super-slo-mo, and freeze frame the video.

    She hooked the landing. Obviously the freeze-frame showed an UR of more than a quarter. Want to get mad at somebody? Get mad at Mirai for not fixing her constant UR problems!

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Oh for crying out loud. "Questionable" "nitpicky" "harsh"? These are internationally qualified ISU-certified Technical Specialists, who train nearly as much as the skaters do, who would have had a better angle on that jump and the ability to slo-mo, super-slo-mo, and freeze frame the video.
    To be completely fair, some TC's are known for being stricter than others. Shin Amano manages to see more UR's and ask for more reviews than pretty much any other TC around (in singles), as an example. I think the problem is how the original question was worded, not so much the fact it was brought up. Instead of asking where a possible review might have come from and if anyone who had judging experience could help them spot the potential problem, the OP said he/she though the jump was over-rotated. And next thing you know, we have a konsipracy theory afoot. ahem.

    Want to get mad at somebody? Get mad at Mirai for not fixing her constant UR problems!
    Her jumps look a lot closer to being all the way around, especially for an early outing, than they have for a while. I wouldn't call them fixed, and neither would the technical controller by the looks of things, but they are heading in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Oh for crying out loud. "Questionable" "nitpicky" "harsh"? These are internationally qualified ISU-certified Technical Specialists, who train nearly as much as the skaters do, who would have had a better angle on that jump and the ability to slo-mo, super-slo-mo, and freeze frame the video.
    Whatever they are, however they're trained, they're still human. They know in the back of their head that Mirai is known for underrotating and even if they want to ignore that, as I said, they're human, so they're probably not able to 100%. In return that probably means that more jumps get reviewed, not only from Mirai but from skaters who are known to have a problem with fully rotating jumps and in the end, it's probably more likely that the result will not be in favor of the skater then in favor.

    Personally, I find it very hard to see anything on the YouTube Video because of its resolution. It looked rotated to me and her landing looked like a lot of other landings look that don't necessarily get any deducation but I think with the resolution of the video most any jump would look like that to me

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    How can you say that the call was questionable when you haven't seen that jump in slow motion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    How can you say that the call was questionable when you haven't seen that jump in slow motion?
    Or from the angle the technical panel used.

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    Mirai gets a ton of UR and downgrades so they are going to be more likely to take a second look at her jumps. She has created this problem for herself. I wouldn't be surprised if some of her jumps are reviewed that other athletes would never have reviewed.
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    Yeah I think Mirai developed this reputation and continues to haunt her. I see way worse landings than this that don't get called. What I can say is that she often doesn't have a clean landing edge so that's contributing to the issue I'm sure, UR or no UR

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Oh for crying out loud. "Questionable" "nitpicky" "harsh"? These are internationally qualified ISU-certified Technical Specialists, who train nearly as much as the skaters do, who would have had a better angle on that jump and the ability to slo-mo, super-slo-mo, and freeze frame the video.

    She hooked the landing. Obviously the freeze-frame showed an UR of more than a quarter. Want to get mad at somebody? Get mad at Mirai for not fixing her constant UR problems!
    If you really think this way, then why give your opinion or discuss figure skating at all? I would think you would just watch it and have some expert tell you what you should think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock2 View Post
    Yeah I think Mirai developed this reputation and continues to haunt her. I see way worse landings than this that don't get called. What I can say is that she often doesn't have a clean landing edge so that's contributing to the issue I'm sure, UR or no UR
    probably

    Thanks guys for contributing to the discussion. I'm no expert on this. X)

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