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    So looking forward to NHK. I'm really hoping I take to D/W programs more than I did at Skate America.
    Also hoping that Shibs skate clean.
    Can't wait to see how I/K skate.
    But C/L had my heart at Skate America. They were the best for me.

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    Thanks for starting this thread, PashaFan.

    I am in love with I&K, and P&I and a big fan of the Shibutanis, Weaver&Poje, Cappellini&Lanotte, and Pechalat&Bourzat. I also really like Hurtado&Diaz, Huang&Zheng, Merriman&O'Brien, and Gorshkova&Butikov (for whom I cannot find any recent news ). I also have a soft spot for Riazanova&Tkachenko, and Bobrova&Soloviev have really grown on me.

    Like Scrufflet, I adore P&B's "Petit Prince" FD--I find it utterly charming with some lovely moments. One of the things I love so much about them is their blend of beautiful skating and true dancing (variations in speed and tension of movements, engagement of rhythm, etc.).

    I love how their leg movements communicate the style of the music here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1eF...youtu.be&t=68s

    And the exits from the lifts work so nicely with the music:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1eF...youtu.be&t=81s

    and here, watch how Nathalie pulls her mid-section up and forward and bends her knee of her free leg to hit that little section of the music...her movement captures the feel of that particular section of music so well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1eF...outu.be&t=136s

    and here I love how they momentarily freeze the downward movement to correspond to the descent of the notes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1eF...outu.be&t=139s

    and how they end their circular in a tender embrace

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1eF...outu.be&t=186s

    I also love the clear change of tempo here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1eF...outu.be&t=221s

    In general, I want to see less hand-to-hand skating and less space between them--skating close is something they are known for. I also want to see more of the gorgeous technique they honed under Zazoui, Zhulin, and K+C, but this was their first GP of the season and they really grow their programs throughout the season, so I cannot wait to see this program evolve. I think it will be magic by the time of the Olympics.

    What are your favourite things about the programs we have seen so far?

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    Such a great post Bournekraatzfan !.
    The Youtube clips were great to watch.
    I too loved Gorshkova/Butikov. It's a shame they are no place to be seen.
    I really wish the judges would give more credit for Ice Dancers like P/B & C/L who may slow things down but take time to make each move special.
    Sometimes I think they mark on what they think they should see rather than what they do see.

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    After today's FD at NHK, count me in the Gilles/Poirer camp. I was not impressed with them at all last season, but wow, this FD. I am not sure anything yet this season has captured my attention like this performance did. Such innovation!

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    Kinda let down with I/K Free Dance but loved their Short Dance at NHK. The Shibs were much better than Skate America.
    Not sure that D/W are that much far ahead of others as the marks would show but they were worthy winners.
    C/L were not as good for me as at Skate America but still loving them.
    So far this season my top 3 SD's are;
    1-P/B
    2-V/M
    3-S/S
    And my top 3 FD's are;
    1-V/M
    2-P/B
    3-C/L

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    I love this thread because I am loving ice dance and I appreciate almost all the dancers right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Accordion View Post
    I love this thread because I am loving ice dance and I appreciate almost all the dancers right now.
    I know !. It's a really fantastic time in Ice Dancing.

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    I am not a regular dance fan but I like both V/M and D/W and also think the Shibs are cute. I used to like Carron/Jost but that's no more. May be this is the thread for me?
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    I also want to say how much I love this thread. I know people are complaining about how IJS is killing the classic tenet of ice dance by putting much more emphasis on individual elements and athleticism, but for what these teams have to work with, I think this is an embarrassment of riches where there is true competition for the gold and bronze medals. This is the first time where I feel teams in the lower top ten (6-10) can actually jump into the top half if the cards are dealt right.

    I'm enjoying so many teams and love that they all seem so hungry to win a medal.

    Count me in the Gilles/Poirer lovefest. Their Hitchcock FD a breath of fresh air. Pechelat/Bourzat's FD is my personal favorite thus far. It's like a throwback to the qualities of ice dance that should be appreciated (but aren't as much right now), but adapted for this code.

    As for the Shibs, I still think their biggest problem is that unlike most teams, they don't do a lot of extraneous (or at least in some people's eyes, enough) upper-body movement and it makes their skating look much smaller and introverted compared to other teams who seem to know how to express outwards towards the audience. I think a lot of it is their style. Even though they have a lot of personality and seem extroverted in their ShibSibs videos, I do think it's in their natural nature to not be as...extroverted. I appreciate that quality because it's a very clean style, but then to really wow skating fans and the judges, they need a little bit more of what the other ice dancers are doing. They need to make people have their eyes glued to them, and right now, they're turning some off with their more understated style.
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    The Shibs hardly ever make errors & I think the judges really take that into thought when they compete with I/K who made many errors last season.
    I have to say that I thought I/K should have won the Bronze at NHK as their choreography & lifts were better IMO. But the Shibs nailed both programs.
    Anyone know if I/K skated in the NHK exhibition ?. They were not shown here in the UK & they did not skate in the 2011 & 2012 NHK exhibitions either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PashaFan View Post
    I have to say that I thought I/K should have won the Bronze at NHK as their choreography & lifts were better IMO. But the Shibs nailed both programs.
    Anyone know if I/K skated in the NHK exhibition ?. They were not shown here in the UK & they did not skate in the 2011 & 2012 NHK exhibitions either.
    I dont think they did - We saw the gala live on TV and I didnt see them there. It could be they were replaced by the Reeds, or it could be they wanted an early start to France - their next GP is TEB and it's got to be rough on the body to go from Russia to Japan to France in 2 weeks.

    I also liked their programs and if it went by what I enjoyed the most they would have been 2nd. I didnt like either the Shibs or C/L program very much. Hitchcock OTOH was outstanding. I would have put G/P in 3rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tak View Post
    I dont think they did - We saw the gala live on TV and I didnt see them there. It could be they were replaced by the Reeds, or it could be they wanted an early start to France - their next GP is TEB and it's got to be rough on the body to go from Russia to Japan to France in 2 weeks.

    I also liked their programs and if it went by what I enjoyed the most they would have been 2nd. I didnt like either the Shibs or C/L program very much. Hitchcock OTOH was outstanding. I would have put G/P in 3rd.
    So I think that's the third year that they did not skate the NHK exhibition. I know Elena was unwell last year. She was crying after the free dance this time around (But maybe that was relief or something else). Shame, I would have loved to see them skate. I was looking forward to watching them & the Shibs (who skated really well) in the exhibition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PashaFan View Post
    . She was crying after the free dance this time around (But maybe that was relief or something else)..
    She was crying because that's what diva's do but maybe because it was the first international outing of the programme she felt that they'd skated it really well I love to watch them they're as smooth as butter !

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    I've been so excited to see I/K's programs, and I definitely wasn't let down! I just love them! I thought their SD was great - wonderful character of the dance, and music that I didn't have to mute. It was light and airy, and I expect it will get even better as their season progresses. The FD was great as well! (My 2nd fave, behind VM.) I love Elena's position in the straight line lift. It's exquisite. I also love how the positions and transitions in the second lift perfectly highlight the music. And there's this lovely section, inspired by the ballet. I wouldn't mind if they changed this (last) lift though. I think it's a bit busy and frantic and they could accomplish the dramatic ending with less fuss. But in the end, I think it's a great vehicle for them. Both have lovely lines and really sell it on the performance aspect. Good for them!

    I think I/K should have placed ahead of the Shibs. While I love the Shibs and appreciate the quality of their skating, they're lacking that fizz/ passion/ drama (whatever one wants to call it) that really makes for a great ice dance program. Their FD is fun and cute, but those aren't really words that should describe a senior FD, IMO. I'm hoping for better programs for them next year, because I do enjoy them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJD View Post
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    I think I/K should have placed ahead of the Shibs. While I love the Shibs and appreciate the quality of their skating, they're lacking that fizz/ passion/ drama (whatever one wants to call it) that really makes for a great ice dance program. Their FD is fun and cute, but those aren't really words that should describe a senior FD, IMO. I'm hoping for better programs for them next year, because I do enjoy them!
    S/S They just don't have the x factor

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post

    Count me in the Gilles/Poirer lovefest. Their Hitchcock FD a breath of fresh air.
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    Yes! Their FD was truly beautiful. I think Tanith had some great commentary about this program on the Universal Sports coverage. She said something like: while it's not necessarily music one would normally select, their interpretation of it was just perfect--a real artistic innovation. And I totally agree. I couldn't take my eyes of the program and some of those lifts were just breathtaking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuge View Post
    S/S They just don't have the x factor
    They're overachievers then for a team that don't have whatever factor some people think they should have.
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    I really enjoy watching Shibs but I've never thought WOW when watching them. They play too safe for me. I/K lifts were amazing & I was shocked when they were placed 4th at NHK.
    The Shibs MJ medley could have been much more in your face instead it was just nice. I still liked it though.
    I loved watching Carron/Jones at COC. I thought the should have got higher marks but the judges never seem to go with them.

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    For me its interesting to know, wich "Swan Lake" you, guys, love more - CJ ot IK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    For me its interesting to know, wich "Swan Lake" you, guys, love more - CJ ot IK?
    I love them both for different reasons.
    I/K has the drama & lets face it, you can't take your eyes off her.
    C/J tells the story more. I think their free at COC was the best they had ever skated together.

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