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    Quote Originally Posted by lala View Post
    hm. Plushenko was 15, if you don't remember. His first season in seniors. He won silver in ECH and bronze in WCH.
    Even at that young age, Plushenko had charisma, and personality on the ice. It's rare for someone that young. What made both Yagudin and Plushenko legends was their ability to deliver under pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Even at that young age, Plushenko had charisma, and personality on the ice. It's rare for someone that young. What made both Yagudin and Plushenko legends was their ability to deliver under pressure.
    yes, totally agree.

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    Well if the definition of being a legend is as the OP put it:hugely popular, famous, and beloved in nearly all parts of the World I would say only the following fit that category:

    Ladies- Kim Yu Na, Peggy Fleming, Midori Ito, Janet Lynn, Katarina Witt, Sonja Henjie
    Men- Kurt Browning, Dick Button, Evgeny Plushenko, Toller Cranston, John Curry, Robin Cousins, Scott Hamilton, Alexei Yagudin
    Pairs- Gordeeva & Grinkov, Shen & Zhao, Underhill & Martini, Miskutienok & Dmitriev, Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze
    Dance- Torvill & Dean, Klimova & Ponomarenko, Virtue & Moir

    I don't see the Worldwide popularity and fame to call Kwan, Davis & White, Peizerat & Anissina, Irina Rodnina legends, but that doesn't imply they are any less great of skaters as some who are legends. Just that they didn't have the same whole World impact or fame. Maybe I am wrong on Irina rodnina though and would understand more had I been around in the 70s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuzytalent View Post
    Well if the definition of being a legend is as the OP put it:hugely popular, famous, and beloved in nearly all parts of the World I would say only the following fit that category:

    Ladies- Kim Yu Na, Peggy Fleming, Midori Ito, Janet Lynn, Katarina Witt, Sonja Henjie
    Men- Kurt Browning, Dick Button, Evgeny Plushenko, Toller Cranston, John Curry, Robin Cousins, Scott Hamilton, Alexei Yagudin
    Pairs- Gordeeva & Grinkov, Shen & Zhao, Underhill & Martini, Miskutienok & Dmitriev, Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze
    Dance- Torvill & Dean, Klimova & Ponomarenko, Virtue & Moir

    I don't see the Worldwide popularity and fame to call Kwan, Davis & White, Peizerat & Anissina, Irina Rodnina legends, but that doesn't imply thed y are any less great of skaters as some who are legends. Just that they didn't have the same whole World impact or fame. Maybe I am wrong on Irina rodnina though and would understand more had I been around in the 70s.
    Yu Na is a legend and Michelle is not? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGG View Post
    Yu Na is a legend and Michelle is not? LOL
    Sure, outside of North America Yu Na is easily more famous than Michelle. You are thinking about it only from an American perspective. Go to Asia and Kim would be even more a superstar than Kwan here, and while Kim is very well known even in North America, Kwan would be almost invisible over there. In Europe Kwan was also never a big star of any sort.

    My reaction is just the opposite of yours. Anyone who thinks Kwan is a Worldwide legend and Kim is not right now is a huge ROTFL!

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    Michelle is a legend in skating. I can tell you that in N America, the general public has no idea who Yu Na Kim is in the same way you say Michelle is invisible in Asia.

    There is no way you can deny in the skating world, Michelle is not a legend. She has 5 world titles and two Olympic Medals. Everyone in the skating world in Asia knows Michelle. Isn't she Yu Na's idol? Why would some no name be her idol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGG View Post
    Michelle is a legend in skating. I can tell you that in N America, the general public has no idea who Yu Na Kim is
    Well anywhere outside the U.S and maybe Canada the general public as you put it would have no idea who Michelle Kwan is so what is your point. In Europe her main rival Irina Slutskaya and skaters like Plushenko, Shen & Zhao, Yagudin, Anissina & Peizerat, Lambiel, were even a far bigger stars than she was while they all competed. Atleast to serious skating fans Kim has a large fan base even in the U.S and Canada as the huge ovations and the interest she sparked in her apperances in Canada and the U.S show, which is not really even true of Kwan in Asia. I have no interest in arguing with annoying Kwan ubers though so think what you want. I am entitled my opinion and I am not the only one in this thread who feels that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuzytalent View Post
    Sure, outside of North America Yu Na is easily more famous than Michelle. You are thinking about it only from an American perspective. Go to Asia and Kim would be even more a superstar than Kwan here, and while Kim is very well known even in North America, Kwan would be almost invisible over there. In Europe Kwan was also never a big star of any sort.
    What basis do you have for this claim?? Figure skating is not even popular in North America since Michelle retired, so while Kim is a star in the skating world, she is not a household name. I really have doubts that in the era when Michelle competed, when figure skating was much more popular (and not just in Asia), and being at the top for so long, she was not well known outside of North America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuzytalent View Post
    Well anywhere outside the U.S and maybe Canada the general public as you put it would have no idea who Michelle Kwan is so what is your point. Atleast to serious skating fans Kim has a large fan base even in the U.S and Canada as the huge ovations and the interest she sparked in her apperances in Canada and the U.S show, which is not really even true of Kwan in Asia. I have no interest in arguing with annoying Kwan ubers though so think what you want. I am entitled my opinion and I am not the only one in this thread who feels that way.
    My point is that you said no one outside of the US knows Michelle, and I was just mentioning that no one in the US knows who Yu Na Kim is other than people who follow skating. She is not a big star here in the same way you described Michelle in Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    What basis do you have for this claim?? Figure skating is not even popular in North America since Michelle retired
    While in Asia it is more popular than ever since Kwan retired. So again what is your point.

    People in this thread just focus on North America this, North America that, as if North America were the whole World. They say skating was most popular when Kwan competed but the only place in the World this was true was North America. Skating is doing just fine in other places these days without Kwan. As for the North America part even that isn't entirely so. Skating popularity in the U.S peaked with the Battle of Brians, followed by the Harding and Kerrigan scandal years later. Kwan just helped keep it up there awhile longer, but it didn't reach a new all time height. Skating popularity in Canada peaked in the Browning, Stojko, Orser, Manley, days.

    Of course the United States aren't interested in skating anymore (in Canada it is quite popular again with Chan and Virtue & Moir doing well, and just as much or more as it was most of the Kwan years, and Kwan was never the biggest reason Canadians watched skating to begin with). They only care when they have someone on top in the ladies and they don't since Kwan and Cohen are gone. Kim cant provide them with that, nor can Davis & White and Lysacek, and that is all they care about. They had it for years with Albright, Heiss, Fleming, Hamill, Thomas, Yamaguchi, Lipnski, Kwan, Cohen, and now they don't anymore, so skating is nothing for them until that American lady singles star who wins titles comes along again, or another gory story like Harding and Kerrigan (the best example of all how American popular equalling Worldwide legacy is a huge LOL). That is the last thing that proves someones Worldwide legacy.
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    You said Yuna is this big star all over the world, and I am telling you that in the USA, she is not a big star (outside of skating fans). I live in the USA I don't live in Asia or Europe so I cannot say if she is popular there. But I can tell you here she is not a household name. Not sure why you find that bothersome? Am I not supposed to give you information about Yu Na's popularity in the US just because I live in the US?

    Anyway I brought it up because you told me that Michelle is not a household name in Asia.

    Most skaters are most popular in their home country.

    So my point is that being a legend in skating should not be determined on who is a household name.

    Everyone who is a skating fan knows Michelle's legacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGG View Post
    Yu Na is a legend and Michelle is not?
    Ofc.

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    Sigh. The Kwan-was-only-popular-in-North America myth again. Of course, if your barometer for popularity is based on the knowledge of the global, general public or the once-every-4-years fans, then no skaters would make the cut. If you poll real skating fans and actual skaters, then Kwan would surely make the list.

    Maybe someone should ask Yu Na if she considers Kwan a legend. Considering how many skaters from all over the world list Kwan as an influence/favorite (Kim, Kostner, Lepisto, Suguri, Korpi, Rochette, to name a few), I'd say she's popular enough worldwide.

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    ^^ I agree. From a non-American: Michelle Kwan is a fairly well recognized name and face in my part of the world too, even among the casual viewers.

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    Also, that Kwan may not be as popular overseas as she is in the US doesn't mean that she is so completely unknown that it should affect her status as "legendary". Irina fans in Russia (or elsewhere), for example, will know who she is, just as Kwan fans in the US know who Irina is. I don't think popularity is a good test, because it varies. For example, I recall reading that, around 1998, Michelle was extremely popular in Japan; her popularity there seems to have decreased over time, especially as more and more Japanese skaters became prominent.

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    Oh God-I knew this subject would bring out the uber Plushenko-ites and their statistics and their rabid demand that their god win every imaginary contest.

    People, if I never saw Plushenko skate again, I would be happy because you guys just wear me out. You turn me off to him. being a fan is great. Being an unrelenting presence is boring, boring boring.

    Yes, I prefer Yagudin. Does that men I don't respect Plushy? No-I've said repeatedly he's a great skater. By all means put him in the Legends Club. It isn't a contest to see who is the best skater!

    Why do you have to turn everything into a Yags-versus Plush contest?? Is it that important to you?

    BTW-I'd put Kwan in there too, Olympic gold or no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holley Calmes View Post
    Oh God-I knew this subject would bring out the uber Plushenko-ites and their statistics and their rabid demand that their god win every imaginary contest.

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    Where did you see this? I am looking at several posts above yours and I don't see Plushy being mentioned (he is on earlier pages). I like both Yagudin and Plushenko, but Plushy just a little more because of what he is doing this late in his career. I don't recall acting like he is God, or that he win every "imaginary contest".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuzytalent View Post
    Well if the definition of being a legend is as the OP put it:hugely popular, famous, and beloved in nearly all parts of the World I would say only the following fit that category:

    Ladies- Kim Yu Na, Peggy Fleming, Midori Ito, Janet Lynn, Katarina Witt, Sonja Henjie
    Men- Kurt Browning, Dick Button, Evgeny Plushenko, Toller Cranston, John Curry, Robin Cousins, Scott Hamilton, Alexei Yagudin
    Pairs- Gordeeva & Grinkov, Shen & Zhao, Underhill & Martini, Miskutienok & Dmitriev, Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze
    Dance- Torvill & Dean, Klimova & Ponomarenko, Virtue & Moir

    I don't see the Worldwide popularity and fame to call Kwan, Davis & White, Peizerat & Anissina, Irina Rodnina legends, but that doesn't imply they are any less great of skaters as some who are legends. Just that they didn't have the same whole World impact or fame. Maybe I am wrong on Irina rodnina though and would understand more had I been around in the 70s.
    You are definitely wrong about Irina Rodnina. She ranks alongside Sonia Henie as a legend, and most of us were not even born when she was competing (Sonia). Being legendary does not have to do with worldwide popularity. Those who are not into FS will only know the names of a few top skaters from their country (may be occasionally a skater from another country). Skating fans usually know who the great skaters are, regardless of what era they skated in.

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    Dorothy Hammel .. Grishuk/Platov.. Peggy Flemming ... Torvil & Dean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holley Calmes View Post
    Oh God-I knew this subject would bring out the uber Plushenko-ites and their statistics and their rabid demand that their god win every imaginary contest.

    People, if I never saw Plushenko skate again, I would be happy because you guys just wear me out. You turn me off to him. being a fan is great. Being an unrelenting presence is boring, boring boring.
    ITA, just substitute the name Kwan. Can we PLEEEEEZE just say she is a legend so we can talk about something else... anything else???
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