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    Delayed axels
    The Junior Grand Prix: Where skaters who "come out of nowhere" come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    I haven't seen a full inside axel in a competitive program since the early maybe mid-90s, so I wouldn't blame the disappearance of that one on IJS. Mishin's students used it as warmups in the 90s -- is that still the case?
    Yes. Plushy's inside axel in 2009. He trained jumps before the show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy7bcn-gAl0

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    Quote Originally Posted by lala View Post
    Yes. Plushy's inside axel in 2009. He trained jumps before the show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy7bcn-gAl0
    Oh!!! Thank you for the link! Wow! Beautiful!

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    Nan Song just did an inside axel in his choreographic sequence in the free skate at TEB.

    ETA: I believe Jason Brown did one near the beginning of his step sequence also, and Patrick did one or something very similar in his choreographic sequence.
    Last edited by RFOS; 11-16-2013 at 04:20 PM.

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    Russian Split Jumps in competition - love them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFOS View Post
    Nan Song just did an inside axel in his choreographic sequence in the free skate at TEB.
    Half inside axel, takes off from RFI, one revolution, lands forward

    something similar here

    ETA: I believe Jason Brown did one near the beginning of his step sequence also,
    I didn't see anything like that.

    and Patrick did one or something very similar in his choreographic sequence.
    This? He takes off from LBI and lands forward, so I'd call it a 1.5 salchow.

    In this post, I noted a bunch of interesting half jumps, opposite direction or counterrotated on takeoff or landing, in Chan's SP.

    Which reminds me of this split half lutz transition from another Canadian. And while we're at it, walley, edge change, opposite-direction reverse one-foot salchow

    And then that reminds me of double one-foot salchow by yet another.

    Keep 'em coming!
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    OK, so none of them were really an inside axel, just unusual miniature jumps done quickly within steps and choreography and thus hard to accurately identify in real time. Jason Brown's cool jump in his step sequence (around 2:50) looks like it has a walley takeoff, rotates clockwise (opposite of his normal jumping direction) and only half a revolution, and lands on two feet with an exit edge on the opposite curve than would be expected.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_X_F8zJ8k8

    A couple very unusual combinations in practice by lower-level skaters (though these involve "listed" jumps):
    1Lz+1Lz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5A6f-956Ug (with the two jumps in opposite directions)
    1S+2S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9TcfkgeN4g (first jump is a one-foot salchow)

    3S+2F from Brian Pockar (one foot triple salchow):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqqcCAAoEp0

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFOS View Post
    Jason Brown's cool jump in his step sequence (around 2:50) looks like it has a walley takeoff, rotates clockwise (opposite of his normal jumping direction) and only half a revolution, and lands on two feet with an exit edge on the opposite curve than would be expected.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_X_F8zJ8k8
    Wow, very tricky to figure out just what he's doing there.

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    That is tricky because he checks his arms/shoulders to the right throughout the entry, as if he's going to do a CCW Salchow. On my screen, it looks like he takes off from the LBI edge and turns CW, which makes it a half-walley. It's more common to see someone cross-check a CW Walley entry and bring the arms around as the free leg swings back. Very interesting to watch.

    One of the Ladies at Trophee Bompard had a huge Walley in her freeskate program, but I can't remember who it was.

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    A half loop connecting jump on roller is called a "Euler" (Probably named after the person who made it famous… Please don't let her name have been Beulah). A former world champion lady included a double one in her combination jump and everyone (judges included) was like WTF! T'was wonderful to see. How a about a Pat Lowe, an Owl, LOF Loop jump (landing forward…horrifically hard), and any jump that can be landed on an opposite foot in a combination. I feel it's a whole avenue that hasn't been explored yet.
    I guess the hard thing for a lot of people to accept is why God would allow me to go running through their yards, yelling and spinning around.


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    This combination of four jumps (one foot half axels?) by Gary Beacom is fascinating:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iJLl...tailpage#t=240

    I've never seen anyone else do anything like that before, or anything like anything in the program before. He is definitely an original.

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    Flove that Beacom routine, second only to Malevolent Landscapes. He's the perfect skater for these kinds of jumps too.

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    Robin Cousins did a really cool sequence of 1 1/2 flip into 2 flip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a7sSuPpmcc (about 1.25 in this clip)

    And this one is really cool - Bonaly doing backflip into 3sal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mVVy25e-vk
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFOS View Post
    Courtney's split flip wasn't called in the FS today at Skate Canada either.
    Her split flip was called in the free skate at Ice Challenge in Graz last weekend. I hope a clarification will be issued so the calling can be consistent in the future.
    http://www.skateaustria.com/ergebnis..._FS_Scores.pdf

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    Does this mean to avoid any possible confusions with the caller, the men/ladies should leave such choreographic jumps until after all eight/seven alloted jump slots are completed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    Does this mean to avoid any possible confusions with the caller, the men/ladies should leave such choreographic jumps until after all eight/seven alloted jump slots are completed?
    As a TC I would agree not to do those things until after all the jumps are done.

    Although I am not sure I would have called it.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lala View Post
    Yes. Plushy's inside axel in 2009. He trained jumps before the show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy7bcn-gAl0
    I love this link ! Thank you !

    I miss jump combos as Marina Kiellmann or Claudia Leistner did, with an axel and 3 or 4 Loops.
    One of my favorite sequence : Shawn Sawyer Walley, falling leaf, 3 Loop, half-loop, 3 Loop

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanna View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFOS View Post
    OK, so none of them were really an inside axel, just unusual miniature jumps done quickly within steps and choreography and thus hard to accurately identify in real time. Jason Brown's cool jump in his step sequence (around 2:50) looks like it has a walley takeoff, rotates clockwise (opposite of his normal jumping direction) and only half a revolution, and lands on two feet with an exit edge on the opposite curve than would be expected.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_X_F8zJ8k8
    I started the video a bit before the 2:50 mark you mentioned and everything was so seamless, musical, and done with such ease, I just watched the program forgetting what I was looking for (and it's not my first time seeing this performance). I had to go back and watch again to actually notice the technical details of this jump. Love him, his Russian split, his split falling leaf and all his fascinating transitions.

    It would be a shame to be limited to using these types of transitions at only late parts of the program due to potential calling confusion. Can this be managed using communication of "planned elements"?
    Disclaimer: The post contained herein represents the opinions of a fan and may or may not bear any relation to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AYS View Post
    It would be a shame to be limited to using these types of transitions at only late parts of the program due to potential calling confusion. Can this be managed using communication of "planned elements"?
    I don't think so because planned elements are only a guide, not an absolute. I suppose they could say single jumps have no value at the senior level and do not fill a jump box- but that would mean no points for popped jumps either.

    The same problem exists with choreographic step sequences- they have to come second. It doesn't matter if the music is perfect for it to come earlier in the program.


    (An adult at our rink had issues with highlight jumps being called in his program at adult nationals. Really screwed him when his difficult doubles were late in the program- it never occured to him they'd be called as his jumps since they weren't on his planned program sheet.)

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