View Poll Results: If you were a bookie, who would you make favourite for the Ice Dance Olympic gold?

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  • Davis & White

    155 72.09%
  • Virtue & Moir

    58 26.98%
  • Other

    2 0.93%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zazy View Post
    Those aren't really technical points, you're saying which elements you love but you aren't explaining why they should be highly rewarded. What's great about their lifts this season? What's great about the entrance to the spin? Why do these elements deserve high GOE scores? And they're already getting credit for the hop as a level feature so it shouldn't factor into the GOE. In my opinion, it should count as a transition into the twizzles and they should have to do the same number of twizzles as everybody else, but that's not how the system is set up.

    Same thing with the PCS scores. What's great about the choreography? What transitions are they doing between elements? Are they using their edges? Why should they get high PCS scores in these categories?

    What's great or wonderful for one person is horrible for the next, we can't have any real conversation about the merits of both teams using subjective language.
    That distinction seems to go unnoticed. As you say, this topic isn't "Why you should like Virtue Moir better than Davis White." The strangely "controversial" component of this topic is "why should Davis White be receiving the scores they receive, based on the rulebook criteria and standards vis-a-vis what they put on the ice."

    It's also worthwhile to look and see where the rulebook itself might be called into question. Not only fans do this. People in the sport at the highest level think the rulebook gets it wrong in places, or thinks the rulebook needs to quantify how something is scored much more than it does, and needs to relate difficulty to what the feature actually shows about the athlete's skating skills much more than it bothers to do. And this is especially true in ice dance.

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    Funny that DW have always had the edge on the tech, it was more the PCS they needed to close the gap on. Which they have done.
    We're discussing what's on the ice, I believe. Not looking at protocols to validate protocols.

    Have you verified with the past seasons' scoring history that they've always had the edge on tech on the score sheet? I have a different impression but haven't verified yet either.
    Last edited by Subway; 11-11-2013 at 06:51 PM.

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    so apparently, for some tech-averse sectors, discussing ice-dance on a more tech level is now considered vitriol

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilam98 View Post
    so apparently, for some tech-averse sectors, discussing ice-dance on a more tech level is now considered vitriol
    Lol - they can't take what they dish. Have you noticed some posts suggesting V/M's ability is diminishing have a very similar ring to opinions coming from those highly regarded 'journalists' at TSL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanne7 View Post
    Lol - they can't take what they dish. Have you noticed some posts suggesting V/M's ability is diminishing have a very similar ring to opinions coming from those highly regarded 'journalists' at TSL?
    Some people have given a detailed analysis of D/W's and V/M's lifts on page 11 that is not in favor of Tessa and Scott, but I am not sure whether those are Davis/White ubers, or more neutral people since I don't remember seeing their posts in Davis/White threads.

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    someone in the tech-averse thread said that meryl is a very independent skater, that she's not dependent on charlie on their elements especially their lifts. well, that's one comment that's very open to a tech discussion as to why they say so. if only they open their minds to it and not call it vitriol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    Some people have given a detailed analysis of D/W's and V/M's lifts on page 11 that is not in favor of Tessa and Scott, but I am not sure whether those are Davis/White ubers, or more neutral people since I don't remember seeing their posts in Davis/White threads.
    Yes, we have to make sure that anyone giving a technical analysis has never posted in the D/W thread. They could be biased, and their analysis full of lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafygreens View Post
    Yes, we have to make sure that anyone giving a technical analysis has never posted in the D/W thread. They could be biased, and their analysis full of lies.
    I wonder why do people want to misunderstand each other so much? It was my response to the comment "they can't take what they dish" (referring to D/W fans in this case). I only meant to say that a few people who are not exactly V/M fans or ubers (even if they are not D/W ubers either) have tackled the task of trying to analyze things, so it's not like only V/M fans are capable of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    Why should I be forced to say positive things about a team whose skating I find thoroughly lacking?.
    I understand that you prefer V/M and don't enjoy D/W, but why is it a bad thing or difficult to say even one positive thing about them even if you find their skating lacking? Every team have their strengths, no matter what level they are. They certainly don't have the extension and line of V/M, but D/W are two-time world champions. They must have gotten to where they are for some aspects of their skating, despite talk of conspiracy and politicking.

    It honestly sounds like you have a holier than thou attitude and adds more fuel to the fire when you make comments like this....
    Last edited by skatingfan12; 11-22-2013 at 08:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilam98 View Post
    someone in the tech-averse thread said that meryl is a very independent skater, that she's not dependent on charlie on their elements especially their lifts. well, that's one comment that's very open to a tech discussion as to why they say so. if only they open their minds to it and not call it vitriol
    But iNap and mia don't like vitriol about D/W
    If open tech disucssion about D/W iNap will be mad and will want to shut down conversation again

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3672940
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3883648
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3751277
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3675965
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3673236
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3688509
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3689369
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3694846
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3703039
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3710968
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3717047
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=#post3720829

    D-W get free PR from iNap who pose as troll but is a uber. Uber or ubber? Good strategy from Team D-W just in time for Olympics
    Last edited by emka; 11-22-2013 at 11:23 AM.

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