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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    Just peaked at Tessa and Scott's SD protocol from TEB - Meryl and Charlie really need to get that midline to level 4 NOW. The twizzles were just an accident and probably won't happen again, but I'm really starting to worry about the midline. They always rocked it as the best of all, this season Tessa and Scott seem to have an advantage. The SD portion between the two teams is gonna be super close this season. However, the thought it might all be decided in the FD is quite comforting, knowing how magnificent Shez is
    Right. M/C clearly left points on the table by messing up the twzzls. I don't think anyone should worry about the FD.

    Let's be honest. Shez is head, shoulders, knees and toes over every other FD this season.
    The score speaks for itself!

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    I'm glad VM are staying close. I don't want to be lulled into a false sense of security then have the rug pulled out. DW always peak at the right time and I expect this Olympic season they will give it everything they got!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~tapdancer~ View Post
    I'm glad VM are staying close. I don't want to be lulled into a false sense of security then have the rug pulled out. DW always peak at the right time and I expect this Olympic season they will give it everything they got!
    and the best part is MC gets to play the "hunter" at the Olympics.

    This honestly makes GPF and the Olympics all the more exciting. From the looks of it, if both teams hit the SD, their scores are going to be extremely close. Neither team will be allowed a misstep.

    MC's FD as of now (before seeing VM's FD tomorrow) is nearly "ready." just needs to get the other step sequence to level 4 and then polish like crazy.

    What an exciting season!
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    I really loved all the changes V/M made in their SD and I don't know if it's the acoustics at TEB or if they played with music, but the music cuts don't seem as abrupt. It's weird, it's been a long time, probably since the last Olympic season, that I've felt V/M SD (or OD) had as much, or in this case, more character and nuance than their FD. It also seems like they like the program more than their FD. Tessa looks a lot more comfortable. If I were them, my strategy would be to try to gain a bit of buffer with the SD to make up for the FD.

    I'm a jazz girl, so they pretty much had me when they announced their SD music. I like D/W SD because of how well they skate it, they make me like it in it's entirety, but I do think I prefer V/M SD.
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    I'm not wild about any of the SD's this year like I was last year (Giselle ) but V/M's SD is lovely. If they both skate cleanly, I think it could go either way, and this may make me a bad uber, but I may have a slight preference to V/M's SD. However, Scheherazade owns me and I think it's the best FD this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessiebanana View Post
    I really loved all the changes V/M made in their SD and I don't know if it's the acoustics at TEB or if they played with music, but the music cuts don't seem as abrupt. It's weird, it's been a long time, probably since the last Olympic season, that I've felt V/M SD (or OD) had as much, or in this case, more character and nuance than their FD. It also seems like they like the program more than their FD. Tessa looks a lot more comfortable. If I were them, my strategy would be to try to gain a bit of buffer with the SD to make up for the FD.

    I'm a jazz girl, so they pretty much had me when they announced their SD music. I like D/W SD because of how well they skate it, they make me like it in it's entirety, but I do think I prefer V/M SD.
    I'm with you. I like the nuance in VM's SD choreography. I think it's the one thing lacking in MC's short this year. It's a fun program, but it needs a little more... something. LOL. It's late and I'm tired. I just think the choreography could stand to be "punched up" a little. Can't they get Derek back for another few sessions?

    And like you, I feel like MC's free this year has a lot more going for it. The music is better, and the whole program just feels more cohesive. I'm sure VM's will improve/ change over the competitive season, but I think MC's will have the bigger impact. The overall concept is just better. Not that I'm biased or anything.

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    Alex Wong ‏@AlexdWong 9m
    Just finished working with @Meryl_Davis and @CharlieaWhite on their Olympic program. They are gonna kill it this year!
    Yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CassAgain View Post
    Yay!
    Double yay!

    E.A. Week, your request may have just been answered
    "Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitneyskates View Post
    I'm not wild about any of the SD's this year like I was last year (Giselle ) but V/M's SD is lovely. If they both skate cleanly, I think it could go either way, and this may make me a bad uber, but I may have a slight preference to V/M's SD. However, Scheherazade owns me and I think it's the best FD this season.
    I might be biased , but I think it makes you a healthy sane person. The whole reason you love a team is for their programs. You're not their mom's. You don't love them, therefore you love everything they do best, right? So it makes sense that you can like and even prefer other things.

    As a coach, Marina did a smashing job with the SD. I tried watching them back to back and it's nearly impossible to directly compare the two. They're both skated so differently it will really force the judges to score them independently. With the exception of the transition out of the compulsory. They both have that surprise pop of music and accompanying pose! I see you Marina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E.A. Week View Post
    I'm with you. I like the nuance in VM's SD choreography. I think it's the one thing lacking in MC's short this year. It's a fun program, but it needs a little more... something. LOL. It's late and I'm tired. I just think the choreography could stand to be "punched up" a little. Can't they get Derek back for another few sessions?

    And like you, I feel like MC's free this year has a lot more going for it. The music is better, and the whole program just feels more cohesive. I'm sure VM's will improve/ change over the competitive season, but I think MC's will have the bigger impact. The overall concept is just better. Not that I'm biased or anything.
    I think the difficulty with adding more nuance to D/W SD is that their aiming for that "floating on ice feeling". Too much clutter would kill it. It's part of what I really like about the program. I think it's like Mahler in a way, a very pristine delivery of the program would have a huge impact. Mahler, wasn't Mahler, until the Olympics.

    Not that I'm opposed to them trying, I just can see what difficulty is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaffeine View Post
    Double yay!

    E.A. Week, your request may have just been answered
    Wow

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    Just a hunch, but Meryl and Charlie are going to be focusing on the SD for GPF and onwards.

    The FD is a masterpiece that just needs polishing and mileage. I honestly can't see where any major changes need to occur other than upgrading the step sequence to lvl 4. And a different end pose Then it's just practice. They got record scores from the beginning of the season until now so it's definitely (IMO) ready for its debut against VM.
    "Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him."

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    I know that comparing scores across competitions isn't always the best idea however the seeding for the GPF is based on total score (as the tie breaker which will determine skating order in the SD and all that). I've often that that it has been an advantage for DW at prior GPF that they have always gone in as the top qualifier. They get to skate last, after VM and I think that has somewhat helped their success there (they have not lost the SD all four times they have won at GPF). This year I think they should go in as top qualifiers again because I don't think that VM can get a FD score high enough to overtake DW's combined score. ... okay, I just checked, Scott and Tessa would have to score 117.99 to equal Meryl and Charlie's combined GP score. Is that score even POSSIBLE in Ice Dance?

    Anyways, I'll also admit that Tessa and Scott have a fantastic SD this year and if both teams get their levels and skate cleanly it is very likely that VM could take the SD. However I always think it is an advantage to skate second in head to head battles and so for the GPF, at least, that might help DW. However, I think it all will come down to levels. I imagine that for clean skates the judges will give both teams similar PCS.

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    DW still have the higher score in both of their GP comps for the SD, as compared to VM. Tenths of a point but I've never forgotten that .04!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~tapdancer~ View Post
    DW still have the higher score in both of their GP comps for the SD, as compared to VM. Tenths of a point but I've never forgotten that .04!!
    and neither has Charlie
    "Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by E.A. Week View Post
    Interestingly, I thought MC's short looked a lot better at NHK than it had at SkAm, but they just didn't hit their levels.
    I agree on this point. Although it didn't get the levels, I thought Meryl & Charlie's NHK SD looked great, especially the last half, starting with the pattern dance. I just love how their short dance builds in energy and keeps a wonderful sense of buoyancy and fun throughout.

    Of all the teams in the world this year, I feel like Meryl & Charlie are the only ones who really perform the Finnstep and make it sing. The other teams are all doing the Finnstep, but you can feel the concentration & carefulness, whereas with Meryl & Charlie I just simply enjoy the dance. They fly through it with such lightness and ease. And then the last section of their SD just builds on that feeling.

    Tessa & Scott's SD is nice and I liked it better here than at SkateCanada. I agree the music cuts seemed better somehow, less strident. I do love jazz, so of course I enjoy their music. Whereas I'm not that keen on My Fair Lady, the score of which, I feel, rides a very fine line between joyfulness and, well, cheesiness. Despite this, though, I do prefer Meryl & Charlie's SD and I am satisfied with their "handling" of My Fair Lady. I think they're getting the best out of the music, while being careful to avoid the cheese factor (which other teams would either fall victim to or even play up).

    The interesting thing about quickstep dances is that they're so enjoyable, yet at the same time they tend to lack emotional intensity. So you have to work hard to find something special in the dance to make it stand out. To me, the only teams to have successfully done that this year are Meryl/Charlie and (I can't believe I'm writing this) Ilinykh/Kastalapov. Meryl/Charlie's SD embodies the lightness and joyfulness of the quickstep. Elena/Nikita's SD isn't as technically difficult but it does, for me, embody the sensuality and passion of two people in love dancing together. Tessa/Scott's SD is nice, but I'm just not left with a strong impression of what their dance is all about. Just my opinion of course.

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    Well, I don't particularly dig jazzy, for me it's usually a total snoozefest and i do think some of V/M's moves at the beginning of their program look a bit OTT/silly, but my personal taste aside I gotta admit it's a great SD that will give Meryl and Charlie a run for their money. D/W's SD is truly lovely and IMO much easier and more pleasant to watch, but these are not exactly things that matter in the score. I know they are perfectly capable of beating V/M with this SD IF they hit the levels, the question here is WHETHER they will. I'm not gonna lie, I would sleep better knowing they've got that midline to level 4 already. It's really gonna come down to levels between these SDs. Shez is hands down better than V/M's FD, so no worries here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    Well, I don't particularly dig jazzy, for me it's usually a total snoozefest and i do think some of V/M's moves at the beginning of their program look a bit OTT/silly, but my personal taste aside I gotta admit it's a great SD that will give Meryl and Charlie a run for their money. D/W's SD is truly lovely and IMO much easier and more pleasant to watch, but these are not exactly things that matter in the score. I know they are perfectly capable of beating V/M with this SD IF they hit the levels, the question here is WHETHER they will. I'm not gonna lie, I would sleep better knowing they've got that midline to level 4 already. It's really gonna come down to levels between these SDs. Shez is hands down better than V/M's FD, so no worries here.
    I can't imagine Davis and White entering GPF without fixing the midline and making sure everything is level 4. Their mindset isn't "Oh give VM the SD, we'll take the FD" They want it ALL. If they hit it, we look at a 75-76 score (not even taking the GOE/PCs into consideration). Right on par with VM. Marina is brilliant..she gave them two different SDs, both capable of hitting the high 70s if skated well.

    I almost feel they've worked on the FD more at the start of the season than the SD--perhaps because it's so choreographically complex with different changes in mood, speed, new lifts, having to tell the story, difficult footwork (that circular sequence ), difficult entrances and exits in their elements. It would take longer to get used to doing all that. Charlie is looking a little less winded than he did at SLC where I thought he was going to need oxygen. It's now at the point where we're nitpicking things like the end pose and Meryl's skirt
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    Bottom line: both teams are talented and have great work ethics. All we can do is hope for clean skates and good judging and then sit back and enjoy the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clairecloutier View Post
    The interesting thing about quickstep dances is that they're so enjoyable, yet at the same time they tend to lack emotional intensity. So you have to work hard to find something special in the dance to make it stand out. To me, the only teams to have successfully done that this year are Meryl/Charlie and (I can't believe I'm writing this) Ilinykh/Kastalapov. Meryl/Charlie's SD embodies the lightness and joyfulness of the quickstep. Elena/Nikita's SD isn't as technically difficult but it does, for me, embody the sensuality and passion of two people in love dancing together. Tessa/Scott's SD is nice, but I'm just not left with a strong impression of what their dance is all about. Just my opinion of course.
    I agree about capturing the spirit of the dance. I didn't expect V/M to though. Light and uplifting is something they just don't do well. Perhaps it's why I never bought FF (though I just thought FF was cheesy in general). I think they've sort of turned into something else that works for them. D/W are definitely capturing the spirit. They got lucky draws with the polka and finnstep. It's much better suited for them than the tango at the last olympics.
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