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    Novi Ice Arena tweeted this video about Chock/Bates as they prepare for the Olympics:

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    Article about the "Wolverine Contingent" 5/6 US ice dancers on the Olympic team have ties to Univ of Michigan:
    http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/olympi...013014aaa.html

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    Cannuscio and Bramante split: http://www.ice-dance.com/main/news/g...ante-part-ways

    She's retiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    Cannuscio and Bramante split: http://www.ice-dance.com/main/news/g...ante-part-ways

    She's retiring.
    I saw that too. So she's retiring to coach and become a Technical Specialist, but he's looking for a new partner. I hope they both have great success.

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    Oh, I was afraid that would be the case. I'll miss Isabella; I've loved her skating over the years. Hope she has great success in coaching and everything else!

    Glad to hear Michael is continuing and hope he finds a good partner.
    Congratulations 2014 World Ice Dance Champions Anna Cappellini & Luca Lanotte!!!

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    Thoughts on the Future

    Hoping the Shibutanis will leap up in with some phenomenal choreography next season--in part because I think they have the most potential internationally (due to good form, the IT factor, and speed that doesn't slow down during more difficult elements). Practically speaking, though, because they will no longer be third in their own rink.

    I would love to see Madison & Zach go another 4 years as well. They have a more mature look than the other U.S. teams, and I think they should use it. (Get her out of that apron-style dress in the short program).

    I think C&B need to stop slowing down before their twizzle sequences, and I keep waiting for Igor to do SOMETHING with Evan. Note: Yes, C&B competed at their first nationals the year after the Shibutanis won bronze. C&B finished fifth their first season at the 2012 nationals.

    I was disappointed with Lynn & Logan's new programs. They lack the gorgeous intensity & uniqueness that made them stand out among the crowd (this year she looks like an imitation of Madison--sigh). I feel like both this team & the third place Russians got lost in the crowd with Igor. But I understand that they felt they needed to try something to make headway in an Olympic year.

    Am withholding an opinion on Eaton & Aldridge until they come up with a non-Baliwood freedance. Good difficulty, but they have a long way to go in the presentation department.

    C&M were one of my greatest surprises at nationals. I thought both programs & performances were great. Good for them.

    LOVED Zheng & Ponomarenko in novices! And REALLY LOVED Lewis & Bye in their first year as juniors. They pulled off Schindlers List, and he flips her around like D&W and V&M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobre View Post
    Hoping the Shibutanis will leap up in with some phenomenal choreography next season--in part because I think they have the most potential internationally (due to good form, the IT factor, and speed that doesn't slow down during more difficult elements). Practically speaking, though, because they will no longer be third in their own rink.

    I would love to see Madison & Zach go another 4 years as well. They have a more mature look than the other U.S. teams, and I think they should use it. (Get her out of that apron-style dress in the short program).

    I think C&B need to stop slowing down before their twizzle sequences, and I keep waiting for Igor to do SOMETHING with Evan. Note: Yes, C&B competed at their first nationals the year after the Shibutanis won bronze. C&B finished fifth their first season at the 2012 nationals.

    I was disappointed with Lynn & Logan's new programs. They lack the gorgeous intensity & uniqueness that made them stand out among the crowd (this year she looks like an imitation of Madison--sigh). I feel like both this team & the third place Russians got lost in the crowd with Igor. But I understand that they felt they needed to try something to make headway in an Olympic year.

    Am withholding an opinion on Eaton & Aldridge until they come up with a non-Baliwood freedance. Good difficulty, but they have a long way to go in the presentation department.

    C&M were one of my greatest surprises at nationals. I thought both programs & performances were great. Good for them.

    LOVED Zheng & Ponomarenko in novices! And REALLY LOVED Lewis & Bye in their first year as juniors. They pulled off Schindlers List, and he flips her around like D&W and V&M.
    I have no doubt that Marina will go shopping for a new team after this Olympics. I don't think for a second she will turn all of her attention and political sway towards boosting Shibutani/Shibutani. I hope when that happens, that the Shibs move elsewhere. From what I understand Igor is not an option for them, so they might need to do something bold and leave Detroit. Their University of Michigan situation complicates that, but I'm pretty sure Mama Shibutani will want them to put skating first for the next four years. Then again, I'm one who is still shocked Virtue/Moir and Davis/White have both stayed with Marina. My guess is that Marina will be coaching Ilinykh/Katsalapov and/or Hawayek/Baker come this fall.

    Lewis and Bye are adorable, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about them until they both go through puberty.

    I think Lynn/Logan are retiring.

    Chock/Bates said in their pre-Olympic conference call that they are planning on 4 more years.

    I'm most excited about Hubbell/Donohue. If only they had gotten that 97+ they got at 4CC earlier in the season; they'd be Olympians right now.

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    My guess is that Marina will be coaching Ilinykh/Katsalapov and/or Hawayek/Baker come this fall.
    Hmm, why would H/B want to leave DSC? They're doing great there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blancanieves View Post
    Hmm, why would H/B want to leave DSC? They're doing great there.
    Marina is a bigger name and if she wants them, I think they'll probably jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    Cannuscio and Bramante split: http://www.ice-dance.com/main/news/g...ante-part-ways

    She's retiring.
    They were such a fixture around local shows the past few years. Will miss seeing them skate together, but I hope Michael finds a good partner & keeps competing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    Marina is a bigger name and if she wants them, I think they'll probably jump.
    Do coaches approach skaters? I thought it was the skaters who sought the coaches. For the sake of conversation, why would H/B be Marina's "choice" out of DSC's current roster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobre View Post
    Hoping the Shibutanis will leap up in with some phenomenal choreography next season--in part because I think they have the most potential internationally (due to good form, the IT factor, and speed that doesn't slow down during more difficult elements). Practically speaking, though, because they will no longer be third in their own rink.

    I would love to see Madison & Zach go another 4 years as well. They have a more mature look than the other U.S. teams, and I think they should use it. (Get her out of that apron-style dress in the short program).

    I think C&B need to stop slowing down before their twizzle sequences, and I keep waiting for Igor to do SOMETHING with Evan. Note: Yes, C&B competed at their first nationals the year after the Shibutanis won bronze. C&B finished fifth their first season at the 2012 nationals.

    I was disappointed with Lynn & Logan's new programs. They lack the gorgeous intensity & uniqueness that made them stand out among the crowd (this year she looks like an imitation of Madison--sigh). I feel like both this team & the third place Russians got lost in the crowd with Igor. But I understand that they felt they needed to try something to make headway in an Olympic year.

    Am withholding an opinion on Eaton & Aldridge until they come up with a non-Baliwood freedance. Good difficulty, but they have a long way to go in the presentation department.

    C&M were one of my greatest surprises at nationals. I thought both programs & performances were great. Good for them.

    After being at Nationals, I don't what to think about the Shibs. I like them, but I can't say they impressed me much in Boston. I'm just one person, and hardly an expert on ice dance. But that's the way I felt. Both programs were just sort of okay, nothing special. As much as they tried to get some excitement into the Michael Jackson FD, I didn't feel it. They lacked the speed & intensity of Chock/Bates and the presence & originality of Hubbell/Donohue. I don't know what's missing. They've tried various kinds of music and programs the last few years, and nothing has really clicked since 2011, so I don't know what to suggest there. My instinct is they should go to a new coach/choreographer, just to find inspiration and someone who will look at them differently. Or perhaps consider other partners. As time has gone on, I've reluctantly come to feel that the sibling relationship is hurting them.

    Chock/Bates, on the other hand, really were a lot better than I expected at Nationals. Seeing them live, they were very impressive, although I do recognize their difficulty level is much lower than, say, Meryl/Charlie's. I think they could be a force during the next quad. A lot will depend on the programs and them continuing to gel as a team.

    I've liked Hubbell & Donohue since they started, and I'm sure they will continue for another quad, provided Madi recovers okay from the labrum tear. They have so much potential and could do so many interesting programs. One thing I will say: I feel like they could be a bit lighter on their feet at times. They are a tall and strong team and probably won't ever have the kind of lightness that Meryl & Charlie have. But at times, there is a heavy feel to their skating. What they gain in power, I think they lose in flow & lightness.

    I like Aldridge & Eaton so far. And the judges obviously like them a lot, too. Will be very interesting to see them develop. Like Madi & Zach, I could wish for a bit more lightness in their skating.

    I think Lynn & Logan will probably retire. I personally loved both their programs at Nationals and 4CCs. But clearly the judges didn't agree. I can only conclude that Lynn & Logan must have some technical weaknesses that I'm not skilled enough to understand. They lost ground this year, despite the switch to Shpilband, and they're getting older, so there seems little reason to go on. Watching them at Nationals, all I could think was, they're the kind of couple who might have had such a different career if they competed for a smaller country like Hungary or Slovenia. With a better chance to go to GPs/Euros/Worlds every year, I think their career could have been quite different.

    I too enjoyed Cannuscio/McManus at Nationals. They are very smooth and pleasant to watch. Colin recently said they've recommitted after Nationals and really want to take the next step in their career. I'm not sure what they need to do technically to make that happen, but wish them luck.

    Of the junior dance teams I saw, I enjoyed Parsons/Parsons the most. I just liked their flow and choreography. But they're another sibling team.

    Hawayek/Baker seem talented, although her fall on the twizzles in the FD detracted quite a bit. They're a little closer in size than I would like though.

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    There are Federations who either decide or have great sway where their skaters train, like the Russian and French Federations. The pressure doesn't always work -- so far C/P have remained with Zazoui, and IIRC, when Dmitriev was married and had a young son, he said no to training in the US -- but, for the most part, when Gailhaguet told P/B to decamp to the Detroit area and switch to Shpilband, they did it.

    I don't know how Zoueva would get the message to specific skaters that she's interested, but I don't doubt that she can without approaching them directly. The entire Ice Dance world knows that there will likely be spots opening in the rink, although I'm sure many are waiting to see what V/M and D/W actually do and what happens in Sochi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    There are Federations who either decide or have great sway where their skaters train, like the Russian and French Federations. The pressure doesn't always work -- so far C/P have remained with Zazoui, and IIRC, when Dmitriev was married and had a young son, he said no to training in the US -- but, for the most part, when Gailhaguet told P/B to decamp to the Detroit area and switch to Shpilband, they did it.

    I don't know how Zoueva would get the message to specific skaters that she's interested, but I don't doubt that she can without approaching them directly. The entire Ice Dance world knows that there will likely be spots opening in the rink, although I'm sure many are waiting to see what V/M and D/W actually do and what happens in Sochi.
    It is considered unethical for coaches to approach skaters as potential students. Known as "poaching" and expressly forbidden by the PSA. Any coaching changes must be initiated by the skaters OR by current coaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blancanieves View Post
    Do coaches approach skaters? I thought it was the skaters who sought the coaches. For the sake of conversation, why would H/B be Marina's "choice" out of DSC's current roster?
    I don't know how other countries/Federations officially stand on this, but it's a definite infraction of the PSA's (the USFS recognized coaching organization) code of ethics to solicit students training under other coaches, either directly or indirectly (through a third party).

    I've never even heard rumors of USFS getting involved in pressuring students to move from one coach to another, as we often hear about with French or Russian skaters, although I'm not an insider in the business.
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    USFS might not, but Shpilband, for example, was breaching nothing when the Russian and French Federations sent skaters to him.

    I would never expect Zoueva to explicitly or directly approach a team: she doesn't have to. I think if she wanted to get the message across that she was interested, she would have the means to do it, just like any other top coach would.
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    It may be expressly forbidden by the PSA, but it happens indirectly all the time.

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    [QUOTE=reese;4138018] I hope when that happens, that the Shibs move elsewhere. From what I understand Igor is not an option for them, so they might need to do something bold and leave Detroit.

    I've read the bolded part elsewhere. Do you know why it's not an option? I too would like to see them leave Marina.

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    [QUOTE=Jessica;4138547]
    Quote Originally Posted by reese View Post
    I hope when that happens, that the Shibs move elsewhere. From what I understand Igor is not an option for them, so they might need to do something bold and leave Detroit.

    I've read the bolded part elsewhere. Do you know why it's not an option? I too would like to see them leave Marina.
    There were that the Shibs' father played a role in getting Igor fired from Arctic Edge.

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    [QUOTE=reese;4138550]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica View Post

    There were that the Shibs' father played a role in getting Igor fired from Arctic Edge.
    I always wonder about this. Because it seems like if D/W and V/M wanted him to still be there, he would still be there (not to say it was them either, but it seems like if it wasn't them and was any other skater and not the relationship between the two coaches- they would have put their foot down). I don't think the Shibs have that much power in that rink. I mean do you really think Shibs Dad is
    'big' enough to mess up the coaching arrangement of both USA #1 and Canada #1?

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