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    That episode was ... FANTASTIC. OMG. The writing was funny, witty. I want moooooore !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimena View Post
    It's different because of the personal relationship Alicia had with Will. Cary called Diane on the double standard and I agree with him. But with Alicia and Will, it's different. Especially considering the timing.
    I don't see how the timing matters. Alicia was pushing for them to leave as early as possible, but she wasn't going to override the fourth years, because they needed the bonus money, and she really didn't. If it was up to her, she would have been out of there before, and I don't believe for a second that Will wouldn't have gone ballistic with her leaving under any circumstances. He didn't say anything to her about their love life: he went on about how she was nothing and only got her job because he pushed for her, blah, blah. She and Will are poison together -- he would dump her in a second if he got her after rubbing it in Peter's face, and she can't make up her mind and stick to it -- and all of their attempts to keep away from each other were not working.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimena View Post
    Since we don't exactly know what Diane said in the interview, we can only go by her actions. She tried to protect Will and refused to answer Mandy Post's questions about him. She even tried to not do the interview. It was a big plot point since last season, how the Chief Justice wanted her to disavow Will. And when she finally did the interview, the first thing she did was tell Will about what she had done. So yes, she sold him out and chose her judgeship over Will. That's the way it was presented in the show. I'm kind of about your take on the whole thing.
    She told him that she spoke about the money and that's when he rejected her. I know that how it's presented in the show, that she threw him under the bus to get the judgeship, but it doesn't make sense to me: he was suspended for a reason, she was up front during his suspension that she supported him as a person who was sorry for what he did, but I don't remember her excusing his actions. I don't know why the details wouldn't be a matter of record or why discussing it in an interview showed disloyalty, because there's nothing to indicate that she changed her story, however dumb she was to fall for the reporter's tactic.

    She knew mentioning the money was what would make him angry, and that's what she talked to him about. Since he's in denial about his reasons for doing everything, he started going on and on about how she had to go because it would hurt the firm, when it was his ego and pride that got smashed, just like with Alicia. Poor Will, all these women hurting him.
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    Finally got to watch this week's episode. Awesome! I don't think we are really meant to be taking sides (I certainly can't), rather we are just supposed to be .
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    OMG....there was so much going on I could hardly keep up. That was the best hour of television that I've watched in a while, and that's saying a lot since I'm a huge Scandal fan. My heart couldn't take it!

    What's so captivating about this show is that everyone pretends to be so damn righteous, yet no one has any room to talk about anybody's ethical behavior because it's all questionable. No one here is innocent, without blame, or undeserving of bad and evil things happening to them, regardless of how hard they try to pretend otherwise. Everybody uses everybody, period, and now it's just been called out.

    But in the end, if I have to pick a side, I'm going with Team Florrick/Agos. And that's just because Will is such a sh*t. He's not as big a sh*t as Peter, but he's inching right along. He's still in love with Alicia, although I find that to be kind of disgusting because he's using her and her position as a politician's wife in order to advance himself and the firm. Right now he's pissed off because she got the better of him. He's acting on emotion, not logic. He's always allowed his emotions to get the better of him and he's never going to be as hard assed as he wants to be because of it. And that was really not cool for him to keep her phone. Alicia is not technologically sophisticated enough to have downloaded any files into her phone and Will knew it. That was a control tactic. Remember, she was on the phone trying to get her son to help her download the rest of the files.

    Diane is a bit of a hypocrite too. And she's going to end up without a judgeship or a job. And she deserves it. And it's most fitting for her because at one point she was supposed to be the most loyal of the bunch. Cary was right when he said she brought it on herself, although he didn't know how deep that's gonna go. He's bitter, and he should be. They chose Alicia over him even after he had the most billable hours. After all, Alicia was the state's attorney's wife. They rehired him after he got fired from the state's attorney's office because of his inside knowledge there. They offered the fourth years partnerships and took back everybody's but Alicia's because she was the governor elect's wife. Yes, they treated Cary pretty badly.

    I'm still trying to decide if I'm mad at Kalinda. She appears to be loyal to Will, but it looked like there were tears in her eyes when he asked for the second time over drinks in his office if she was loyal to him because he was going to destroy the competition. Am I reading too much into that? Was she teary because she knows that she's going to betray Alicia again? The only other time we ever saw any real emotion out of Kalinda was when Alicia found out that she slept with Peter. Is that a hint?

    I don't know about any body else, but I am just so glad that Alicia is finally taking ahold of her own destiny. It was brilliant, watching how well she had observed everyone and how she knew all of the partners' habits and concerns. I'm glad that she has decided not to be walked over any more and that she's doing something for herself. She has avoided using her husband's influence up to now, but I hope that she takes advantage of it in the future.

    Peter is still a sleaze. I was glad to see him handle this whole situation "like a husband." And his warning to Will was just great! No, Will, you don't want to go up against him and Alicia.

    One more thing....am I the only one wondering where Elsbeth is going to go? She's just brilliant and worth a having a fight over!
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    Mamie Gummer is guest starring this week!
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    The writers are so awesome. How many funny moments. Ethics gal with the Soup Pot! LOL Absolutely loved the whole episode. WHEEEEE!
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    Interesting twist that Ethics Babe is pregnant. I was expecting her to make a play for Peter, um I mean Governor Florrick. She got to see both sides of Alicia pretty quickly - the caring empathetic one, and the 'don't feck with my family or firm' one.

    I find it very hard to believe that there is ZERO temporary office space in Chicago. I know they're all packed into Alicia's place for the humor value, but seriously - go find some temp space. It's clear to see that Carey and the others are already playing Cary against her.

    Crushed for Diane losing the judgeship. But, we saw it coming when she was instrumental in having the governor's wife escorted from her building.

    Bored with the 'Will on the edge' subplot. Tattoo and crazy chick will not end well.

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    There is blood in the water and the sharks are circling! It's like a diabolical chess game. The rest of this season should be a really fun roller-coaster ride!!

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    I really can't believe that Diane, as astute as she is, thought that messing with the Governor's wife was not going to jeopardize her judgeship. I think that was a weak plot right there, on top of the everybody at Alicia's place contrivance.

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    Just got caught up on last week and yesterday's ep. WTF is up with Will and his tattooed love babe? with whom he makes out publicly in the office after knowing her for all of three days?? pml.

    Grace continues to be the stupidest child of semi-celebrities ever.

    Ooooh, eville eville stuff going one between our rival firms. I know some folks were rooting for Lockhart Gardner after the big split, and I think it's interested to get two eps where Florrick Agos thinks they've won some battles against Goliath only to be set back on their heels again -- but you know there's going to have to be a big win for the underdogs soon.

    I'm liking the way we're still getting some Kalinda and some COTWs (tell me we've not heard the last of the case against the college kid - the trans "uncle" was way unbelievable, but I'm a sucker for locked room type mysteries.

    Hooray for Nathan Lane! And his OTT unbelievable offer of free work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desperado View Post
    I really can't believe that Diane, as astute as she is, thought that messing with the Governor's wife was not going to jeopardize her judgeship. I think that was a weak plot right there, on top of the everybody at Alicia's place contrivance.
    I don't know... she wasn't really involved in "messing" with her. Alicia was plotting to leave the firm and take clients; when the partners found out, they voted to remove Alicia. Pretty standard. And Diana actually declined to testify against Alicia when they went to court that afternoon, obviously still hoping to not ruffle any feathers re: her judgeship.

    The scene last week with Diana crying in that bathroom after Kalinda broke the news that judgeship was essentially gone was so perfectly acted by Christine Baranski.

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    I am loving this show all over again! Sooooooooooooo many twists and turns...JUICY STUFF!!

    I felt that this last episode was really the "best of Broadway" edition...Nathan Lane, Christian Borle, Hunter Parrish...WOW! And we have Alan Cumming as a semi-regular and Denis O'Hare as a recurring judge (the ultra-liberal one); and I know there have been others**. Such great acting by all.

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    But its crime scenes, courtrooms and law offices are crawling with top-tier New York theater talent: Tovah Feldshuh did jury duty, Kate Burton was appointed chief justice, Terry Kinney traded construction kickbacks, Craig Bierko channeled Glenn Beck, and Boyd Gaines and Elizabeth Marvel fretted over their son, a teenage murder suspect. Jessica Hecht and Santino Fontana, critically lauded casualties of Broadway’s short-lived “Brighton Beach Memoirs” revival, both showed up as plaintiffs in midseason episodes, while Patrick Heusinger and Mary Catherine Garrison filmed guests spots before beginning their current Broadway runs in “Next Fall” and “Lend Me a Tenor” respectively.

    The judge’s bench has been a revolving door of stage luminaries, some of whom — Denis O’Hare, Dick Latessa and Joanna Gleason — could use their Tony Awards as gavels.
    Dylan Baker (“God of Carnage”), James Carpinello (“Rock of Ages”) and Karen Olivo (“West Side Story”) have all juggled TV shooting schedules while doing eight stage performances a week.
    Ms. Olivo, a Tony Award winner from “West Side Story,” is expected to be back for Season 2, joining the fellow stage veterans Mary Beth Peil and Alan Cumming, as well as Ms. Baranski.
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    I'm saving this season to watch all the episodes back to back. Maybe I'll split them in two, and I'll have a Christmas feast and a May feast. I trust I won't be disappointed.

    Julianna Marguiles was just on Letterman's: she said the writers are being so amazing she's sending them food baskets.

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    The writing really is great! The silly stuff, like operating out of the apartment or the ethics woman's morning sickness, don't bother me at all. (Please let there be ethical issue involving the baby daddy.) I'm definitely on team Floririck and Argos. Suborning perjury to try to hold someone liable for something that isn't their fault? That is sooooo unethical. Will is awful in so many different ways.

    Diana might not have been as bad as Will and David Lee, but she didn't do anything to stop them either. And she didn't exactly come across a woman with integrity when she tried to undermine her former client's firearm case.

    You never know what Kalinda's up to. Will is stupid to trust her, but so was Cary.

    They do have to give us more closure on some of these cases.

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    Sneak peak for tonight's episode

    America Ferrera returns as Natalie Flores!
    It's official. I am madly in love with Meryl Davis.

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    I liked the Natalie Flores story line. Surprisingly good chemistry between her and Eli. The older guy/younger woman thing often has a skeevy vibe, and I would have thought that adding Eli to the mix would have made it even worse. But it actually worked.

    However, I'm really, really tired of the ridiculous LG and FA battle. Stealing furniture and going through privileged files? It's so beyond how a major firm would behave. How most lawyers would behave. Will's character has become ridiculous. Boot him from the show and bring in more Natalie.

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    Dear Television Academy,

    Please give Mary Beth Peil (Jackie Florrick) an Emmy already!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allskate View Post
    However, I'm really, really tired of the ridiculous LG and FA battle. Stealing furniture and going through privileged files? It's so beyond how a major firm would behave. How most lawyers would behave. Will's character has become ridiculous. Boot him from the show and bring in more Natalie.
    But this isn't most lawyers. It's the new guy that Kalinda referred to as "off". Indeed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    But this isn't most lawyers. It's the new guy that Kalinda referred to as "off". Indeed!
    It's silly. Not just the "off" guy, but the way Will and others at LG are behaving too. A little silliness is fun. Too much ongoing silliness is stupid. At least Will's latest weird fling wasn't in this episode. But Will is no longer the character he was. I can't even imagine Alicia considering being with the current Will character. Or Dianne wanting to be partners with him. I know his character used to be a bit uninteresting, but I prefer that to his current obnoxious and unbelievable character.

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    I am wondering what is going through Diane's mind regarding Will and his "new hire" and then David doing a 180 on that same hire. She looks ... pensive, as though she has some serious thinking to do. I think, like Kalinda, she feel something is not quite right but extends to more than just the new guy.

    I found the "removing" of the furniture very juvenile indeed. If this is what Will is thinking is good for the direction of his firm, then he fully needs to be booted in his @ss by Diane. I would love to see her bring him down about, oh say, 25 steps or so. I don't know what is supposedly going through his head but as much as I disliked his former self, I DETEST this one. Payback may be a bitch, but he's acting like a spoiled child who didn't get his own way and is now set out to "destroy" everyone and everything else at pretty much any cost. I look forward to karma handing him some. Unfortunately, it's likely to be later than sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allskate View Post
    It's silly. Not just the "off" guy, but the way Will and others at LG are behaving too. A little silliness is fun. Too much ongoing silliness is stupid. At least Will's latest weird fling wasn't in this episode. But Will is no longer the character he was. I can't even imagine Alicia considering being with the current Will character. Or Dianne wanting to be partners with him. I know his character used to be a bit uninteresting, but I prefer that to his current obnoxious and unbelievable character.
    Quote Originally Posted by professordeb View Post
    I am wondering what is going through Diane's mind regarding Will and his "new hire" and then David doing a 180 on that same hire. She looks ... pensive, as though she has some serious thinking to do. I think, like Kalinda, she feel something is not quite right but extends to more than just the new guy.

    I found the "removing" of the furniture very juvenile indeed. If this is what Will is thinking is good for the direction of his firm, then he fully needs to be booted in his @ss by Diane. I would love to see her bring him down about, oh say, 25 steps or so. I don't know what is supposedly going through his head but as much as I disliked his former self, I DETEST this one. Payback may be a bitch, but he's acting like a spoiled child who didn't get his own way and is now set out to "destroy" everyone and everything else at pretty much any cost. I look forward to karma handing him some. Unfortunately, it's likely to be later than sooner.
    I totally agree. I get the point the writers are trying to make about Will throwing caution to the wind, and breaking all the rules (both personally and professionally), but it's getting very close to farce.

    At first it was exciting to see the conflict between LG and FA...a battle of wits and legal maneuvering. But it is getting juvenile, far-fetched, and completely unrealistic.

    Will's OTT behavior is really getting annoying...I am definitely on Team Alicia. I hope he gets his comeuppance soon, and we can get back to a more believable story direction.

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