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    Pope Francis

    I decided that this comment/link should go in a new thread without Benedict's name in it.

    Pope Francis is exceeding even my most optimistic hopes for a new pope. I am really looking forward to seeing what this new council will do.
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    Francis just excommunicated a priest who supported female priesthood and the LGBT community.

    So much for him 'exceeding even our optimistic hopes.'

    Don't get fooled!

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    I didn't expect this papacy to move in any kind of inclusive direction after how horridly dogmatic John Paul II and Benedict were. Pope Francis is actually taking small steps.

    I looked it up. The priest who was excommunicated resigned during Pope Benedict's era, and then continued to act as a priest, and his heresy included throwing away consecrated hosts. It sounds like Pope Francis just rubber stamped something that had been an issue for a while.
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    A protestant man said in response to my stating that the Pope wanted to be more accepting of birth control and the gay lifestyle, by saying "Oh, he's probably hoping people would give more money ..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjblue View Post
    I didn't expect this papacy to move in any kind of inclusive direction after how horridly dogmatic John Paul II and Benedict were. Pope Francis is actually taking small steps.

    I looked it up. The priest who was excommunicated resigned during Pope Benedict's era, and then continued to act as a priest, and his heresy included throwing away consecrated hosts. It sounds like Pope Francis just rubber stamped something that had been an issue for a while.
    The priest also apparently "ordained" women. Even if the church were to decide that women could be ordained next week, a priest cannot ordain anyone. He would have been in trouble for ordaining men as well. There was also something about a consecrated host being fed to a dog, although it sounds like no one was sure if it had been consecrated or not. Basically, a bunch of issues beyond the ones in the headlines.

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    To warrant actively getting excommunicated, you have to make a COLOSSAL pest of yourself. I don't think speaking out for women priests is generally enough. (Now, latent excommunication, ie excommunicating yourself via action, is easy.)

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    Bad on me, I should have looked up that issue in more detail.

    But yeah being more liberal than JPII and Benedict isn't hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Francis just excommunicated a priest who supported female priesthood and the LGBT community.

    So much for him 'exceeding even our optimistic hopes.'

    Don't get fooled!
    So much for practice what you preach eh?
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    This reminds of The Onion in their American Voices feature.One woman's reaction to the Pope having a message of compassion rather than condemnation responded with, “So I can’t hate gays but I also can’t be gay? What’s left?”

    Sometimes, satire is bang-on.
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    A lot of things are changing. The very valid question is can these changes be made permanent. A good link that shows there is substance not just "style" on many important issues for the church:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...y-8845052.html

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    Yes, that is the same link that I posted when I started this thread. The actual actions, and steps he is taking to effect real change in the church, are what is raising my hopes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjblue View Post
    Yes, that is the same link that I posted when I started this thread. The actual actions, and steps he is taking to effect real change in the church, are what is raising my hopes.



    Your link never opened for me no matter what I did...which is the fault of my ancient computer and outdated browser. So I had no idea it was the same story. Sorry.

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    Like many others, I hope that his positive statements and persona, lead to substantive action.

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    I am not even Catholic, but I just love that man. I hope he doesn't let me down. He seems a breath of fresh air in the Church.

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    The Pope is a leader whose attitudes and positions influence many faiths.
    I hope that Francis will be able to lead the Church forward; in light of recent knowledge/scholarship on social and spiritual issues that affect all of us.

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    I like him, he will do good forcing bling priests to stop the pork barrel spending which will probably be the mark of his papacy. He seems to wish to tone down the tone of you will go to hell if you use birth control, they know catholicism is dying in Latin American and Europe.

    However catholic dogma won't budge much, last week they held an official conference that divorced catholics cannot have comulgation unless they pay them $ for a religious annulment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailornyanko View Post
    I like him, he will do good forcing bling priests to stop the pork barrel spending which will probably be the mark of his papacy. He seems to wish to tone down the tone of you will go to hell if you use birth control, they know catholicism is dying in Latin American and Europe.

    However catholic dogma won't budge much, last week they held an official conference that divorced catholics cannot have comulgation unless they pay them $ for a religious annulment.
    Uh...what?

    The pope has called an Extraordinary Synod to take place next year to discuss marriage and family issues. It is expected that the issue of divorce and remarriage will be a key topic, but no decisions have been made.

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    Pope Replaces Conservative U.S. Cardinal on Influential Vatican Committee

    Pope Francis moved on Monday against a conservative American cardinal who has been an outspoken critic of abortion and same-sex marriage, by replacing him on a powerful Vatican committee with another American who is less identified with the culture wars within the Roman Catholic Church.

    The pope’s decision to remove Cardinal Raymond L. Burke from the Congregation for Bishops was taken by church experts to be a signal that Francis is willing to disrupt the Vatican establishment in order to be more inclusive.

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    Last week, Cardinal Burke also seemed to create more substantive daylight between himself and the pope, giving an interview in which he raised concerns about comments by Francis that the church should reduce the focus on abortion and same-sex marriage.

    “One gets the impression, or it’s interpreted this way in the media, that he thinks we’re talking too much about abortion, too much about the integrity of marriage as between one man and one woman,” Cardinal Burke said of the pope in an interview with EWTN, a Catholic broadcaster. “But we can never talk enough about that.”


    Really, now! What on Earth did the Cardinal think he was doing saying something like that in an interview? Oh, well, I guess that he'll have lots of time to talk about "that" now that he has fewer job responsibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post


    Really, now! What on Earth did the Cardinal think he was doing saying something like that in an interview? Oh, well, I guess that he'll have lots of time to talk about "that" now that he has fewer job responsibilities.
    I'm currently reading "On Heaven and Earth," a book that is a conversation between Pope Francis (before he was Pope) and a rabbi friend of his. It's very clear that he is absolutely opposed to both abortion and gay marriage. (He's also a traditionalist when it comes to discussing women being priests and priests being celibate - though it appears that he's willing to let some of these priests slip up a bit as long as there are no children involved -- as sexual victims or as products of the broken vows.) But it is also clear that he thinks people are generally too judgmental and dogmatic. His concern for the poor (especially the exploited working poor) is also apparent, though I have yet to learn of his Marxism.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...deology-wrong/

    I think it's good that he's be able to get people to think and talk about the poor.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4412540.html

    After all Jesus didn't talk about homosexuality or abortion, but did talk about the poor and the sick, and he didn't even charge for his healing services.

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    I love that man. And I am afraid that he will be taken out like Pope John Paul 1. (yeah, I said it, JMO)
    The establishment doesn't like changes or original thoughts.

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