Huge Bebe Fan
Politics. Don't forget Bebe was competing at a time when the US ladies field was stacked: Michelle and Sasha, then later Kimmie, Alissa, Emily, Mirai, Caroline, Rachael, Ashley, etc. There was a pecking order (as there still is today) and unfortunately Bebe was rather low on the list...kind of the Christina Gao of back then. Lots of 5th place finishes at nationals and mid to low placements on the GP. I'm sure consistently stronger performances from Bebe would have raised her stock in the eyes of the USFSA considerably, especially after 2006, but she was not a consistent/reliable competitor.
Originally Posted by itoaxel
No, she's not Mirai's choreographer. Mirai's SP and FS were done by Cindy Stuart this year and her EX was done by Adam Rippon. I remember Mirai skated for Bebe during the Young Artist Showcase competition last year and I remember hearing that Bebe had helped Mirai with some of her footwork that season, but she's not credited as her choreographer.
Originally Posted by Spun Silver
Here's the to program "Firebird" Mirai skated for Bebe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...husabzV1k#t=92
It's a lovely number. I wish Mirai would have used this as her program...
Last edited by kwanatic; 09-23-2013 at 08:35 PM.
- Rep Power
Not a chastisement, but Kwan's timing on her spiral at 2005 Nationals was right on the money. She was off her timing at World's, where she had to re-work the program to comply with COP requirements.
Originally Posted by eurodance2001
Last edited by kwanatic; 09-23-2013 at 09:15 PM.
These would have been my scores for the 2005 Nationals SP:
Kwan- 5.8 technical, 5.9 presentation
Bebe Liang- 5.7 technical, 5.7 presentation
Cohen- 5.5 technical, 5.8 presentation
Kirki- 5.4 technical, 5.4 presentation
Meissner- 5.2 technical, 5.1 presentation (clean but average in every conceivable way, quality of jumps, spins, program, performance, meh)
So I would have had Bebe 2nd. Meissner's performance was literally atleast a whole point inferior yet was still placed above.
I loved Kimmie as a person but as a skater she was a little meh. The USFSA was excited about Kimmie b/c she had a "triple axel" (so URed it wasn't even funny) but they were trying to give her the cred points heading into a post-Torino landscape. They knew 2006 was going to be a changing of the guard and they were trying to get their ducks in a row early...
Originally Posted by judgejudy27
So true. In fairness to Kimmie I do think she earned her 2006 World title and I was very happy for her. Well in some ways it could be questioned as today those triple-triples would never have been credited and dropped her to bronze probably, but it is what it is. I was also sad how her career fizzled out badly starting with 2008 Nationals. Still I agree on her being a terrific lady it is hard to root against, but as a skater meh.
Originally Posted by kwanatic
It just bothers me that skating judging can be so completely devoid of credability, based around political posturing and federation plans and these other things that something like this:
could ever be placed behind and given considerably lower scores than something like this:
Honestly I doubt someone could give even a single explanation based strictly on the elements, program, or overall skating how Meissner was placed higher in that particular program. The only explanations would be "other" things that have nothing to do with those two particular performances at all. I have complained about how Hughes was scored vs Nikidinov over the years at Nationals, especialy in 2001, but atleast there even in the cases most strongly disagreed there were atleast a couple justifiable reasons based purely on the performances to place Hughes above. This is a whole other level.
^^Geez her arms were terrible, bless her heart.
It was a strong performance but overall Bebe was much more mature and polished, much more energetic, just overall it was a much better performance. Judges must have been smoking that night...
I was thrilled for Kimmie when she won in 2006. That was a perfect example of seizing the moment and running away with it and she did. 2007 was a decent year for her but by then Miki and Mao were already climbing to the top of the ladies standings and slowly Kimmie got phased out. That next year she had growth issues and went downhill rapidly...it was really sad to see her struggle like that.
Thanks for the correction and then kwanfan with the link, It was right on.. I was confused with Worlds... In any event, her combo was a bit slow.. Regardless, Kwan is the Queen and I love her then and now, and Bebe was undermarker here terribly..
Originally Posted by giselle23
Was she the youngest skater to ever debut at Senior nationals?
I agree with those who said Bebe was undermarked in 2005. She should have gone to Worlds over Kirk that year, imo. She rocked that SP and had a solid LP performance. Easily the best choreographed LP of the US ladies that year too. So wonderfully musical.
Michelle was younger than Bebe.
Originally Posted by sk8indel
Yes what a waste to not send Bebe to Worlds that year. Kirk at that point was already a spent force, and she didnt even skate well at Nationals so it was easy to justify placing Bebe over her and sending her to Worlds instead but they still didnt. What a boost that might have been to Bebe's confidence and if she skated anything like Nationals she would have far outplaced Kirk's 17th place.
Originally Posted by Fozzie Bear
Bebe then missed a huge chance to make the Olympic team next year, either directly by beating Meissner, or taking Hughes's place as the backdoor entry.