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    2014 Olympic Figure Skating Team Trophy Event in Sochi

    I'm not sure if it's been discussed yet or if there is already a thread regarding the Team Trophy event. This is an article explaining about the competition by Jo Ann Schneider Farris.

    The initial phase which is the short program phase for both pairs and men of the team competition is scheduled for February 6th, 2014 which is one day before the Olympic Opening ceremony.

    The article is very informative, and I learned more about the Team Trophy event that I didn't know. I'm really looking forward to watching this event at the Sochi Olympics.

    http://figureskating.about.com/od/ol...ophy-Event.htm
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    Nitpick: It's technically not called the "Team Trophy" event, just Team event.

    Re-posting from an earlier GSD thread... For the team qualification rules, refer to page 5 onwards in the section of the ISU document titled ANNEX A - OLYMPIC FIGURE SKATING TEAM EVENT: http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=4263

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    b) Ten (10) NOCs/ISU Members will qualify to enter their Teams based on the qualifying points scoring scale as outlined in sub-paragraph e) below) scored by its best one (1) Lady Single Skater, best one (1) Man Single Skater, best Pair Skating couple and best Ice Dance couple primarily at ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13) and the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and Final season 2013/14, plus if necessary the ISU European Figure Skating Championships/ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13), the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2013 (season 2012/13)[/b] and ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating season 2013/14 (only in individual events but not the Final).

    Timeline:
    5-8 December 2013 - ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final (Japan) and subsequent ISU information regarding the qualified Teams for the Olympic Figure Skating Team Event.
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    Thanks for the extra information, Sylvia. I felt there had to be another thread about it somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simone411 View Post

    The article is very informative, and I learned more about the Team Trophy event that I didn't know. I'm really looking forward to watching this event at the Sochi Olympics.

    http://figureskating.about.com/od/ol...ophy-Event.htm
    The article states

    Each participating nation's team consists of six figure skaters total.
    Each Nation's team ( depending on the way they exercise their 2 allowed substitutes) can consist of 6 -10 members total.
    6 if they use no substitutes...up to 10 if they substitute both pair and dance teams in the FP.

    Good for Joanne for starting the information flowing on this event.

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    Does anyone know if Spain will be there?

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    I want to procrastinate yet feel productive, so I've figured out standings for 17 teams. I feel like someone else did this, but here it is again.

    Basically, countries earn 2 sets pf points. Let's call these 2013 points and 2014 points. The 2013 points are based on results from last season's championships (Worlds, Euros/4cc and Jr. Worlds), and the 2014 points are based on results from this season's GP (GP, GP Final; JGP events (not final) could be used if no points earned in GP or GP Final).

    Unfortunately, with the 2013 points, if a country earned any qualifying points at Worlds in a discipline, I believe they have to use those points even if they earned more points at their continental championships.

    Please someone tell me I'm wrong with that interpretation! At least it doesn't seem to impact who the top 10 are, though.

    But based on that interpretation, here are the standings heading into the "2014 points" opportunities, with number of disciplines earning points in parenthesis after the total points:

    1 Can 3826 (4)
    2 US 3142 (4)
    3 Rus 2911 (4)
    4 Ita 2420 (3)
    5 Fra 2218 (4)
    6 Ger 2143 (4)
    7 Chn 2062 (4)
    8 Jpn 2009 (3)
    9 S K 1356 (2) *
    10 Esp 1283 (3) *
    11 Kaz 1080 (1) *
    12 UKR 991 (4)
    13 GBR 776 (3)
    14 Est 671 (3)
    15 Aus 650 (3) **
    16 CZE 611 (3) *
    17 Swe 505 (2)


    Because the team event itself requires competition in 3 disciplines, and only allows for 1 non-qualified skater or team in one discipline to gain entry to the Olympics, teams effectively have to have qualified pairs/dance teams or skaters in at least 2 disciplines to be truly eligible.

    So unless South Korea, Spain, Kazakhstan and Czech Republic qualify in another discipline, they are out. Ukraine and GBR are in, with Estonia and Sweden as the 1st and 2nd alternates. All four countries, plus Japan, would have to take advantage of the "Additional Athletes" provision to bring skater(s) for a third discipline.

    Australia has 650 points, but they haven't qualified anyone to the Olympics, so unless they can somehow qualify in two disciplines this fall, they are not in contention
    Last edited by Coco; 09-21-2013 at 11:35 PM. Reason: Freudian slip on the Kaz point totals :); forgot UKR; ok, think I fixed everything, lol!
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    Based on calculations that were done after 2013 Worlds, here's how the countries stand, more or less, heading into the Grand Prix season this fall (I believe the total points for Italy is correctly listed in Coco's post above): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post3876026
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    Jin Seo Kim of South Korea is on the bubble to qualify at Nebelhorn. Does South Korea even have a pairs or dance team to bring to Sochi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    Jin Seo Kim of South Korea is on the bubble to qualify at Nebelhorn. Does South Korea even have a pairs or dance team to bring to Sochi?
    They have junior dance teams (Sergei Astashev has relocated to South Korea to develop ice dance there) but I haven't seen any pair teams competing anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    Does South Korea even have a pairs or dance team to bring to Sochi?
    Rebeka Kim and Kirill Minov (he was born in Russia) recently placed 5th in the JGP in Slovakia: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00054325.htm
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    At 2013 South Korean Nationals there was one Junior Ice Dance team competing (other than Kim/Minov) but no Junior Pairs and no Novice teams.

    But from what I heard Astashev has been putting together and coaching a few teams, maybe they haven't been competition ready yet.

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    The original thread Sylvia started when the announcement with the qualification rules came out in February is here:

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...ighlight=Sochi

    Qualification is based on the ten highest country totals of:

    World Standings points earned by the highest-placed skater/team from each discipline at 2013 World Championships or, if no one from the country got WS points, then from 2013 Euros/4C's, and if still no WS points earned, then WS points from 2013 Jr. Worlds

    plus

    World Standings points earned by the highest-placed skater/team at this year's GP or GPF. If no one from the country competes at GP for the discipline, then the WS points earned by the highest-placed skater/team at this year's JGP (but not JGPF).

    Since the JGP/GP season hasn't ended, there are only eight teams that are clear to qualify in the Top 10, barring disaster: RUS, CAN, USA, FRA, ITA, CHN, JPN, and GER. Each country has at least one entry in every discipline except ITA for Men, and GER for Ladies; GER will earn at least 186 for Lutricia Bock's 7th at JGP Riga. The Top 8 at each GP earn WS points, which is every finisher in Pairs and Dance and all but two in singles. Liebers might be on the cusp in his two GP's, in which case they'd be looking at one of their Junior Men to place at least 10th in the remainder of the JGP's.

    That Don Guy compiled the 2013 championship points in this post:

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post3876026

    The only adjustment to ones at the top is to Italy, with 2475, because Bacchini's placement was listed inconsistently on the ISU site, but that won't impact the Top 10.

    At the end of Worlds, Spain was sitting in 10th, 141 points behind 9th place South Korea. Assuming Kim and Fernandez, the only GP participants from their countries, are healthy and compete at GPF, Spain won't catch KOR, which has earned 312 JGP points in Men and Pairs so far. Hurtado/Diaz and Sonia Lafuente are too far down the SB list to get GP spots, and it has no JGP skaters/teams in Ladies, Dance, or Pairs.

    Just behind Spain are KAZ (203 points behind) and UKR (292 points behind). Denis Ten is the only KAZ skater in GP or JGP, and Fernandez would have to do poorly and Ten well for KAZ to catch up with Spain. UKR doesn't have anyone who can place as well as a healthy Fernandez, although UKR will get at least 225 from their Ukrainian-born Jr. Dance team's silver at JGP in Gdansk.

    Spain should make the team event to skate the SP/SD, but, like South Korea shouldn't be competitive for the final, even if Fernandez and Kim win the SP, because they don't have Pairs teams to appoint to earn even a single point, and all things being equal, Spains Ladies and Dance and Korea's Men and dance would be close to or at the bottom.
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    If South Korea qualifies on points, they won't be able to participate unless the gain an Olympic spot in men's and their dance team is old enough to go to Sochi as "additional athletes." Sensibly, if Jin Seo Kim gains a spot at Nebelhorn, but their dance team isn't old enough, they will not qualify as a team.

    If Lafuente qualifies a spot in ladies for Spain at Nebelhorn, then Spain is in the team event for sure. (ETA: I don't want to jinx them, Fernandez would have to skate at least one GP event, to be safe.)

    Assuming South Korea's dance team is too young to be eligible for Sochi, the final team spot would then be between UKR, GBR and Estonia.

    To participate in the team event, qualifying teams must field participants in at least 3 disciplines. Entry in at least 2 of the disciplines must be earned the 'normal' way (Worlds + other Olympic qualifiers such as Nebelhorn).
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    Kim has a very good chance of qualifying given the field, and while the Korean Dance team is old enough, but he'd need Korean citizenship, so Korea is likely out. Lafuente has a better chance than Kim to qualify for Sochi, but if she doesn't, Spain is out of the team competition as well, since Hurtado/Diaz aren't competing at Nebelhorn.

    You're right that GBR would be in the running: I didn't see that McCorkell earned a Ladies spot, and there are no GBR Ladies at Nebelhorn.

    This all assumes that the National Olympic Committees will be sending the skaters that qualify at Nebelhorn and/or will be willing to allow skaters to be appointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Lafuente has a better chance than Kim to qualify for Sochi, but if she doesn't, Spain is out of the team competition as well, since Hurtado/Diaz aren't competing at Nebelhorn.
    Hurtado/Diaz are listed for Nebelhorn as of Sept. 15.
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    Spain is alphabetized as "Spain", not by it's country code (ESP).
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    I posted this in the previous thread, but it wasn't answered. Does anybody have any idea?

    For the team event, the pairs free programme will be skated on the same evening as the short dance and ladies short (immediately following, in fact). Since only 5 pairs get to skate the free programme, and since those five pairs are chosen based upon the cumulative scores of all of the short programmes, then the five pairs who will *not* skate their free programme will only find out at the last minute, right? I know that some pairs can bank on skating their free programme, but I'd imagine that a couple or a few would be on the bubble, waiting to hear the dance and ladies results, no? Or am I completely misinterpreting things here?
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    Just from a logistics stand point. That's 40 short programs on day one. That's one long competition.

    - I assume all 10 pairs will skate together etc. and the disciplines will not be mixed up.
    - I'm also assuming there will be more than one judging panel - one for pairs, one for dance, one for men's, one for ladies?
    - I'm also assuming it will be in Olympic order - pairs, men, dance, ladies?
    - Would it be possible to use a substitution at the last minute? For example if Canada was so far ahead after men's free that a win was likely, could another country pull their best dance team or ladies competitor in favor of a lesser competitor?
    - I'm assuming strategy in this event will rival swimming relays or track and field relays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post

    Australia has 650 points, but they haven't qualified anyone to the Olympics, so unless they can somehow qualify in two disciplines this fall, they are not in contention
    Australia has Brendan Kerry, Brooklee Han and Danielle O'Brien/Gregory Merriman attending Nebelhorn this week.

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