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    Frank Carroll concerned: crunch time for Evan

    Getting back to Evan, which international comps are still available for Evan?

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    Re-posting from earlier in the thread:

    Ice Challenge in Graz, Austria (Nov. 19-24) is the latest of the 6 Senior B comps currently listed on USFS' International Assignments page; USFS has sent skaters in previous years to Golden Spin of Zagreb in Croatia - 2013 dates are Dec. 5-8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Why not cheer when a Russian pair wins the OGM? It's a very understandable reaction. Is she supposed to keep a blank face, or may be you would have preferred if she had screamed like Scott Hamilton and Sandra Bezic- how could S&P possibly lose? You don't like Rodnina's joy when a Russian pair wins (unprofessional according to you) and you see nothing wrong with Sandra whining because 'her' pair did not win.
    You've just made a huge assumption about me. It is possible to think that if someone was commentating and is expected to have some sort of objectivity that both behavior was less than professional. Let's turn the situation around. Had S/P won and Sandra Bezic screamed for joy, would you have been ok with that?
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    Torn labrum? Evan Lysacek's competitive career is over. Full stop. No US Nationals, no Sochi, no medical miracles. I expect this thread will meander on until the inescapable truth can't be avoided any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiejie View Post
    Torn labrum? Evan Lysacek's competitive career is over. Full stop. No US Nationals, no Sochi, no medical miracles. I expect this thread will meander on until the inescapable truth can't be avoided any longer.
    Wow, I'm actually a doctor and I wouldn't feel comfortable saying that for sure. You must have some magical insight into his hip injury to absolutely be sure of this. I don't expect a good outcome here skating-wise either, but good grief, let's let the situation develop first before we make dire pronouncements.
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    From Bonnie D. Ford's Olympics blog article for ESPN.com: http://espn.go.com/blog/olympics/pos...ks-sochi-hopes
    Lysacek took the opportunity to steer the conversation away from himself and toward what he considers a credibility issue in skating's scoring system.

    He said too many men are trying quad jumps without any realistic chance of executing them, ruining the flow of programs but still racking up points.

    "They've never landed a quad in their lives, but they put three or four in their program and go down on every one because they get more points for that than a triple. That to me is where an audience member will not understand that," Lysacek said. "If that happened in snowboarding, they wouldn't get it. If that happened in aerial skiing, they wouldn't get it. So why in figure skating do we think audience members are going to be able to wrap their brains around that?"
    The wording in the part of his quote I bolded above is unfortunate, IMO.
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    I think he should go ahead and skate at Skate America. He could do very little and still get the minimum scores required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    I think he should go ahead and skate at Skate America. He could do very little and still get the minimum scores required.
    Really, with a torn labrum? You might want to do a little research about the injury.

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    She's wrong. He's wrong. For her it's not 2010 anymore lots of men do clean quads every competiton they Enter. She's just wrong about what's going on. He's just wildly exaggerating and being ridiculous As there is no 4 quad all falls performance. This is just wrong and like his comment prior about clean performances with quads being rarer than non quad Performances or whatever. Lots of performances with quads are clean. This article was a duet of ignorance.

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    funny, i cant remember many 4 quad attempt programs
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    Quote Originally Posted by my little pony View Post
    funny, i cant remember many 4 quad attempt programs
    Kevin Reynolds, I believe, was "attempting" 4 quads a couple seasons ago in his LP. I can't find any protocols that indicate that - at the CoC 2011 his protocols have three quads, with one (the Loop) receiving a downgrade.

    Anyway, I'd be interested who particularly Lysacek was referring to when he made his statement, because a number of the men that have fallen on the quad have certainly landed it before.

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    Clean performances with quads are muuuch less than those aren't clean. If he can compete, if he can still be rock solid, there's still a chance, why not. Look at Jeffrey Buttle at 2012 Japan Open, Elvis Stojko at 2000 worlds, or Todd Eldredge at 2001 worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by my little pony View Post
    funny, i cant remember many 4 quad attempt programs
    you're much more likely to see a unicorn


    ahh...here's one:

    Quote Originally Posted by unicorn View Post
    Clean performances with quads are muuuch less than those aren't clean. If he can compete, if he can still be rock solid, there's still a chance, why not. Look at Jeffrey Buttle at 2012 Japan Open, Elvis Stojko at 2000 worlds, or Todd Eldredge at 2001 worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Why not cheer when a Russian pair wins the OGM? It's a very understandable reaction. Is she supposed to keep a blank face, or may be you would have preferred if she had screamed like Scott Hamilton and Sandra Bezic- how could S&P possibly lose? You don't like Rodnina's joy when a Russian pair wins (unprofessional according to you) and you see nothing wrong with Sandra whining because 'her' pair did not win.
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    Actually IIRC, VIETgrlTerifa was one of those who was pretty amused by Rodnina's reaction and has consistently been put off by Sandra Bezic. I think her overall point was that there was simply a lack of professionalism involved and that it's not particularly fair to be so overly critical of our country's commentators when others do the same thing .

    I will confess that Rodnina's reaction was somewhat cathartic for me after being subjected to NBC's behavior ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by escaflowne9282 View Post
    Actually IIRC, VIETgrlTerifa was one of those who was pretty amused by Rodnina's reaction and has consistently been put off by Sandra Bezic. I think her overall point was that there was simply a lack of professionalism involved and that it's not particularly fair to be so overly critical of our country's commentators when others do the same thing .

    I will confess that Rodnina's reaction was somewhat cathartic for me after being subjected to NBC's behavior ...
    I couldn't help it. I'm a huge Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze fan and how can you not love Rodnina, the queen of Pairs skating.
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    Yazmeen, others with labrum or medical experience - have you ever heard of a hip labrum healing without surgical intervention?
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    "They've never landed a quad in their lives, but they put three or four in their program and go down on every one because they get more points for that than a triple. That to me is where an audience member will not understand that," Lysacek said. "If that happened in snowboarding, they wouldn't get it. If that happened in aerial skiing, they wouldn't get it. So why in figure skating do we think audience members are going to be able to wrap their brains around that?"
    UGH. Please. I've never been a fan of Evan. At all. But I'm soooo over his hypocrisy. Either have an opinion and stick to it, or just be quiet. This is the guy who kept attempting quads throughout 2006-2008 when he rarely landed a clean quad internationally. And criticized those who didn't even attempt it as taking the sports backwards. Then had the guts with all his failed Quads to advocate for a Figure skating jumping competition X-games style. Then criticized Abbott for winning 09 Nats and Chan for winning 09 4CC without even attempting a quad. Then goes ahead and wins worlds and the Olympics without a quad. Then suddenly adopts the stance he's always advocated against: "Quads are not everything!" And now he has the balls to criticize skaters going for quads and make up stories about make-believe skaters who attempt 4 quads without ever having landed one?????

    Be graceful you sour puss. /rant

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesy View Post
    you're much more likely to see a unicorn


    ahh...here's one:
    ahh...that's three unicorns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazmeen View Post
    Wow, I'm actually a doctor and I wouldn't feel comfortable saying that for sure. You must have some magical insight into his hip injury to absolutely be sure of this. I don't expect a good outcome here skating-wise either, but good grief, let's let the situation develop first before we make dire pronouncements.
    My magical crystal ball. But let's do it your way--we'll let the situation develop first. Then around, say, January-ish, can I come back and say "I told you so?"

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