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    Some of us don't visit GS for a reason and prefer to leave all "that" over there.

    Here, in this thread, we have some skating to look forward to in the next couple of days!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueglass View Post
    I just made the mistake of reading a D/W thread at GS - their fans seem to think the Olympic gold medal has already been won and that they must deserve it because they work harder than anyone else. Don't know how anyone could possibly know that, but whatever. I presume this arrogance is really based on the fact that D/W can get sky high marks even with a flawed program (their fans' analysis). It did make me think about what people here might be expecting in terms of marks for V/M. Ignoring the politics of it, how high do their marks need to be to make these people realize that V/M are still Olympic contenders? Anyone want to hazard a guess?
    At this point, I'm trying not to think too much about marks, and also to keep in mind that the bigger problem is not that V/M are getting undermarked, but that D/W are being overmarked for what they actually put on the ice.

    My big piece of advice to all V/M fans is just to stay away from Golden Skate. Stay out of any thread pertaining to ice dance there. Stay out of the V/M thread, and especially stay out of the D/W thread there. It will just mess with your mind and cause more worry than necessary. Golden Skate is heavily biased and has been for sometime. It's not something that's going to change.

    I've been watching old v/m programs the last few days, and every time I see the Olympic performance of Mahler THIS makes me sad. There are so many expectations and so much pressure and tension going into these games, no matter how amazing this fd is, we won't be able to have that kind of moment again.
    This season is just getting started. We have no idea what's going to happen. Granted, we still have to see V/M's FD, but I think it's premature to say we won't get another moment like that. We might not, but then again, we may end up with a moment that equals or surpasses Mahler in Vancouver.

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    Honestly, i had so many WOW moment at FS competitions. Even not one during one competition
    For example it was WOW, when audience were on there fits before they ended Latin FD in Moscow, or when i saw Carmen on youtube at SC practice, or SD in Nice and FF at WCh, when i was singing this song all night. Or after there SD at Nationals this season. I am so grateful they stay compete after they won OGM. Did you remeber team or skaters who still compete, after they won gold ice dance? Grishuck-Platov.

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    For me, every time they go on the ice is as good if not better than Mahler. For me, I am so very grateful that this talented and wonderful pair continue to perform miracles on ice, which continue to amaze and entertain. What they do now, to this none-skater's eye, is beautiful and difficult beyond belief. I don't care how other people perceive them, I just know that I truly love everything that they choose to do.

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    What I was trying to get across is that there is now a feeling that if they have a moment as good as or surpassing Mahler, they won't be awarded properly for it. That has nothing to do with their abilities or performance. After watching the spectacular Carmen be met with resistance, some people are skeptical going into this season... Honestly, I don't care what the scores are. When I first fell in love with v/m I didn't understand scoring anyway, so I'm just going to do now what I did then and simply enjoy their amazing work! Ballet! Just a few more days!!

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    VM create special moments. This Olys will be their own special moment whether or not they win.
    I am going to enjoy every moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJD View Post
    What I was trying to get across is that there is now a feeling that if they have a moment as good as or surpassing Mahler, they won't be awarded properly for it. That has nothing to do with their abilities or performance. After watching the spectacular Carmen be met with resistance, some people are skeptical going into this season... Honestly, I don't care what the scores are. When I first fell in love with v/m I didn't understand scoring anyway, so I'm just going to do now what I did then and simply enjoy their amazing work! Ballet! Just a few more days!!
    I get what you're saying, but I also think it's too soon to say that they won't get the placement they deserve. It's not over yet and we shouldn't roll over and act like it is.

    People were skeptical going into the 09-10 season too. Mahler was not met with tons of immediate praise and adoration, and most people thought either DomShabs or B/A would win I'm Vancouver. It was far from given or expected that V/M would win in Vancouver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJD View Post
    What I was trying to get across is that there is now a feeling that if they have a moment as good as or surpassing Mahler, they won't be awarded properly for it. That has nothing to do with their abilities or performance. After watching the spectacular Carmen be met with resistance, some people are skeptical going into this season... Honestly, I don't care what the scores are. When I first fell in love with v/m I didn't understand scoring anyway, so I'm just going to do now what I did then and simply enjoy their amazing work! Ballet! Just a few more days!!
    I understand what you mean. My nerves are centered around the fact that they might not get probably rewarded for what they put out there. I tell myself that it doesn't matter, but it does hurt when I feel they're being thrown under the bus a bit.

    ETA: But like gerbil is implying above we shouldn't throw in the towel just yet (or at all actually).

    And I must say that the implication that a skater or team works harder than another and therefore should win is the dumbest, most stupid idea I've heard in a while. These people have no idea who's working hard and who isn't. Anybody can just say they work hard, it's not like we're actually seeing what they're doing.
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    After seeing their SD early on, and viewing other SDs, I'm so optimistic about their season. Their SD is pure classic VM, but so much better than what they have done in the past, a perfect combination of superb skating abilities and dance-ability unmatched by any team. I have no doubt that their FD is going to be the exclamation point on their amateur career. As much as I loved Carmen and all their past FDs, I'm expecting their new FD to generate all the "buzz" and excitement that they created on the international scene as seniors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka_gerbil View Post
    At this point, I'm trying not to think too much about marks, and also to keep in mind that the bigger problem is not that V/M are getting undermarked, but that D/W are being overmarked for what they actually put on the ice.

    My big piece of advice to all V/M fans is just to stay away from Golden Skate. Stay out of any thread pertaining to ice dance there. Stay out of the V/M thread, and especially stay out of the D/W thread there. It will just mess with your mind and cause more worry than necessary. Golden Skate is heavily biased and has been for sometime. It's not something that's going to change.



    This season is just getting started. We have no idea what's going to happen. Granted, we still have to see V/M's FD, but I think it's premature to say we won't get another moment like that. We might not, but then again, we may end up with a moment that equals or surpasses Mahler in Vancouver.
    ITA. Before I found this forum I lurked around GS a little I found it scarily full of ranting haters, many of whom didn't seem to know much about figure skating -- some seem mentally ill or something & there are no controls by admin -- in fact, unsubstantiated bashing seems encouraged by them. Yes, stay away!

    As for V/M and Mahler - their Olympic win was a beautiful moment but they have grown & matured since then & have been so innovative. The skating world holds them up as the ones to follow & emulate. So the judges didn't love their Carmen so much (I love it more every time I see it) -- too edgy & dark for them -- but look at Funny Face in 2012 & their latin number in 2011 (which would have won if it were not for an injury & having only 1/2 a program practice the whole season). I can't wait to see their free dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanne7 View Post
    ITA. Before I found this forum I lurked around GS a little I found it scarily full of ranting haters, many of whom didn't seem to know much about figure skating -- some seem mentally ill or something & there are no controls by admin -- in fact, unsubstantiated bashing seems encouraged by them. Yes, stay away!

    As for V/M and Mahler - their Olympic win was a beautiful moment but they have grown & matured since then & have been so innovative. The skating world holds them up as the ones to follow & emulate. So the judges didn't love their Carmen so much (I love it more every time I see it) -- too edgy & dark for them -- but look at Funny Face in 2012 & their latin number in 2011 (which would have won if it were not for an injury & having only 1/2 a program practice the whole season). I can't wait to see their free dance.
    I have learned to trust their program choices as I have loved every single program they've skated I believe they will make history again in Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka_gerbil View Post
    At this point, I'm trying not to think too much about marks, and also to keep in mind that the bigger problem is not that V/M are getting undermarked, but that D/W are being overmarked for what they actually put on the ice.

    My big piece of advice to all V/M fans is just to stay away from Golden Skate. Stay out of any thread pertaining to ice dance there. Stay out of the V/M thread, and especially stay out of the D/W thread there. It will just mess with your mind and cause more worry than necessary. Golden Skate is heavily biased and has been for sometime. It's not something that's going to change.
    I normally don't read GS because they really are quite mean-spirited about a lot of skaters, however the thread wanted to know asked whether D/W's program was gold medal worthy - I thought it might be saner - but as usual posters couldn't keep V/M out of it. I am looking forward to V/M's FD and I hope that they love their program because that's when they skate well. Last year I had the impression that Tessa was not entirely comfortable with Carmen for some reason.

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    Tessa nailed the Carmen characterization right from the start. This is what made some people in the figure skating community, not Tessa, uncomfortable. They weren't used to seeing her like that. The name-calling, the Fifty Shades of Carmen nonsense that even began here, with some of the newer V-M fans, that's what created the narrative that Carmen was NC-17, pornographic or whatever. That's on them, not Tessa. Tessa embraced that character like any other I've seen her play. She got Carmen, she understood what it was about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbkenn View Post
    Me too. I was really sad the judges were not able to recognize how superb Carmen really was.
    I feel the same way. And welcome back to the thread, bbkenn

    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    Some Virtue and Moir praise near the end of this interview with Russian ice dancer, Ksenia Monko:

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...f-the-elements

    Thanks for that, Rafter. Always nice to read more praise from their peers.

    Quote Originally Posted by geoskate View Post
    Agreed. Here's one I loved: Laurence Fournier-Beaudry and Niolaj Sorenson. They skate for Denmark (she's Canadian), and they probably are already the best ice dance team Denmark has ever had.

    (And yes, I know this is off-topic,but we'll be back on topic very soon with Finlandia happening this week).
    Thanks, geoskate. I like this program a lot, and i totally agree with you with respect to D&L's teams. Definitely refreshing.

    And thanks for the link, pani!

    Quote Originally Posted by girlscouse62 View Post
    For me, every time they go on the ice is as good if not better than Mahler. For me, I am so very grateful that this talented and wonderful pair continue to perform miracles on ice, which continue to amaze and entertain. What they do now, to this none-skater's eye, is beautiful and difficult beyond belief. I don't care how other people perceive them, I just know that I truly love everything that they choose to do.
    This. Well said, girlscouse62.

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    Guys, we must hold on until the very last second, just like V/M will do. And don't hide ourselves, speak out aloud, let it heard that V/M are truly the best ice dancers. Sometimes I feel they don't get enough support from their federation and the media. We should do our bit to change that. This is one part we can all contribute.

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    I have total faith that V/M will knock both the SD and the FD right out of the park. Now as to the marks they will get for them and where it places them compared to all the other teams is not something over which I (or they) have any control. So, that being said and keeping that always in mind, I am firmly on their bandwagon. I just KNOW they will come out with DANCES and all the hard work they have done both ON and OFF the ice will be displayed for all to see.

    Just because "someone" didn't see them as the final couple out on the ice doesn't mean that it may not happen on other days. It may also simply mean that V/M have their ice time at a different time than their training mates and thus they are not there at day's end. I find it highly insulting to think that just ONE of the top ice dance teams works harder and longer than everyone else. Not everything that shows up on the ice is always done on the ice -- that's why it's called OFF-ICE training. Some people work smarter and get more accomplished in a shorter period of time. It's not always about QUANTITY; more often than not, it goes hand in hand with QUALITY.
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    Guys,.where is Marikat? I remember she is from Finland and were so happy to see.VM at FT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayii View Post
    I understand what you mean. My nerves are centered around the fact that they might not get probably rewarded for what they put out there. I tell myself that it doesn't matter, but it does hurt when I feel they're being thrown under the bus a bit.

    ETA: But like gerbil is implying above we shouldn't throw in the towel just yet (or at all actually).



    And I must say that the implication that a skater or team works harder than another and therefore should win is the dumbest, most stupid idea I've heard in a while. These people have no idea who's working hard and who isn't. Anybody can just say they work hard, it's not like we're actually seeing what they're doing.
    You see this with fans of a team who know their team is really not as good but they love them so much the "win" is justified, or "they deserve" to win, like 2010 was even close???

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    Quote Originally Posted by apple123 View Post
    Guys, we must hold on until the very last second, just like V/M will do. And don't hide ourselves, speak out aloud, let it heard that V/M are truly the best ice dancers. Sometimes I feel they don't get enough support from their federation and the media. We should do our bit to change that. This is one part we can all contribute.
    I totally agree!!!

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    Reposting this from Hanna's practice report in the K&C forum:

    "V/M FD is definitely their trademark romantic. In the beginning it's softer and very first-love, but the ending part is quicker. There's a beautiful energetic rotational lift to the music in the middle. [...] Loved the first rotational lift of V/M. The ending pose, not so much. All in all - it's not very daring and more so quite typical for them. But like always, they do it so well. The quality is quite astounding."

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