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    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post

    For the truly innovative programmes that they Savchenko/Szolkowy have provided us throughout their career, I'd really love for them to win gold in Sochi. Probably not going to happen unless something disastrous happens to Volosozhar/Trankov who are also a great team. Shame about their programmes though.
    Look on the bright side, VolTra might run afoul of of the rule change in ISU communication 1817.

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    Thank you Eislaufen too for all the info
    and I didnt know Ingo did charity work too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eislauffan View Post
    Thank you Lis, I completely agree with you. Ingo Steuer might have made mistakes in the past and he is not an easy character, but he is by no means a "despicable individual". I have known him for many years, as a competitor and as a coach. He also does charity work that people don't know about.
    Quote Originally Posted by ostile17 View Post
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    Absolutely! Thank you Lis and Eislauffan for your comments about Ingo Steuer. I met him once at a World Pro event and found him to be very engaging, personable and delightful to speak with. Ingo's imaginative and creative collaboration with Aliona and Robin has invigorated the pairs discipline in the boring era of CoP.

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    well I know what pair I like the best!
    At first I was very unsure, but then it became very clear. I thought of which one of them will I miss the most after their final competetion.
    It is Aljona and Robin!
    When they are gone they will be greatly missed since they are very unique in style and have programs you just can't wait till you get to see, what have they done now with their creativity!

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    I am a bit shocked by the word "despicable", I would not use it with any person I met. I sometimes have had difficult moments with Ingo Steuer when interviewing him after some not so successful programs by his team and that sometimes made me a bit angry. But I love how authentic he is, he speaks his mind, you get real feelings, no PR speak, sometimes this then can sound quite undiplomatic. But he can also be full of humour and he can be very generous. I love how passionate he is about the sport, I also admire his stubbornness and his sometimes still boyish joy when things go well.
    Some charity work he did recently was helping flood victims in Saxony, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lis View Post
    well I know what pair I like the best!
    At first I was very unsure, but then it became very clear. I thought of which one of them will I miss the most after their final competetion.
    It is Aljona and Robin!
    When they are gone they will be greatly missed since they are very unique in style and have programs you just can't wait till you get to see, what have they done now with their creativity!
    Same here. Outstanding programs will be remembered, outstanding elements won't. So I wish Aljona & Robin best of luck for the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lis View Post
    well I know what pair I like the best!
    At first I was very unsure, but then it became very clear. I thought of which one of them will I miss the most after their final competetion.
    It is Aljona and Robin!
    When they are gone they will be greatly missed since they are very unique in style and have programs you just can't wait till you get to see, what have they done now with their creativity!
    Agreed. They have pushed themselves, the sport, and the viewer! Love them.
    DH - and that's just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    The triple axel at the end is awesome, but wouldn't it be smarter to do it at the beginning of the second half? The bonus is the same, and you know the judges aren't going to give anything extra in the PCS for that. Although I guess as Ziggy said, that's why they are innovators.
    I think it might be worth it. I remember seeing a lot of upvoted YouTube comments under their Worlds FS video saying stuff like 'A throw triple axel right at the end, wow!' Even if it will be double-footed, it will still be worth a lot of points and leave a really strong impression.

    I am feeling very apprehensive about them doing it in the SP, though. Not sure if the risk is worth it. They must be thinking that the only chance for them to beat V/T is to pull all the stops out. The Pairs events at the Olympics is going to be the most competition ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eislauffan View Post
    It will be very difficult for Savchenko/Szolkowy to beat them, but IMHO this is mostly due to the fact that Volosozhar/Trankov are Russia's only realistic chance for a figure skating gold medal in Sochi and the Russians are throwing everything they have behind them. That's why the "judges love V/T". Don't get me wrong, I love both teams and think they are both great, but it annoys me that there is a difference in what kind of "politics" they have behind them. The Germans have next to nothing as their Federation is weak.
    That is a very good point. Especially, given the Olympics will be in Russia and as we say in Polish 'even the walls support the hosts.'

    V/T obviously are a very strong team. I just feel frustrated with the fact that S/S' program difficulty isn't being rewarded. And it's not about S/S per se, it's my big issue with figure skating, in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lis View Post
    a despicable individual ....Really do you know him ? I have found him a very engaged coach and choreographer who loves his sport. Talking to him is very imspiring. I also must say that I am glad he asked Tanya what kind of music she and Maxim had chosen for their FP so now we have the 2 top pairs with totally different music style which I think is great
    Being an informer for the Stasi and then lying about it is as low as it gets. I can understand that people might have felt scared and pressured into doing it back then. But he had an opportunity to come clean and apologise. He never did.

    As for being engaged, he has produced some incredible work with S/S. But he has never achieved success with any other teams and it seems to me that he has a low tolerance for frustration. I remember one of the German teams leaving him amongst a lot of tension with the break-up being anything but amicable. I also remember when Fitze/Rex left him and switched to Monika Scheibe and in their first competition under her wings, they have improved some of the issues that they have been experiencing for years under Steuer. I also remember Steuer making some aggressive public comments (it was at a press conference IIRC) about one of the Knut Schubert's teams and the way they work, which was really uncalled for.

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    I love both V/T and S/S and hope one of them wins gold. I'm sad that one of them will not because both teams are excellent skaters. I wish V/T had had benefit of Steuer's chorography, but they didn't. She didn't when she was with Morozov and he was their coach. He has always saved the best for S/S. Since I figure there will be and regardless, I just hope both teams skate their absolute best in Sochi. Especially, since one or both will quit afterwards.
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    I have been a huge fan of Aliona and Robin from the first time I saw them live, which must have been in Mowcow Worlds 2005. They really have been groundbreakers for the new style in pairs, and even with flaws, they are interesting to watch. My heart hopes they will really have a season, because this will very likely to be their last competive season. I will sadly miss them when they end their competitive career. She especially is amazing, such a tiny woman with such inner and outer strenght.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    As for being engaged, he has produced some incredible work with S/S. But he has never achieved success with any other teams and it seems to me that he has a low tolerance for frustration.
    Success is relative and depends also on the "material" you have. I think he achieved success with the Swiss couple Anais Morand/Antoine Dorsaz (they made it to the Olympic Games) and also Tatiana Volosozhar/Stanislav Morozov improved under him. These teams obviously were weaker than Savchenko/Szolkowy, but you don't always have World Champion material on your hands.
    I think that Ingo Steuer is a demanding coach. He is very hard-working and he expects the same from his students. Not everybody can deal with this. Since he started working as a coach, he has been focused on Savchenko/Szolkowy and right now wouldn't take on or form any other top team anyway. He does coach a junior lady, though, Lutricia Bock. She finished 7th at the JGP in Riga, which is not bad for a German lady. ;-)
    We will see what happens after Savchenko/Szolkowy retire. I am sure that talented skaters would like to work with Ingo and he can produce more champions. Another handicap for him is that he is based in Chemnitz and not everybody is ready to relocate there. He himself didn't want to move elsewhere as he has good conditions in Chemnitz plus he wants to be close to his son.

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    I love both Savchenko & Szolkowy and Volosozhar & Trankov. I wish their rivalry was closer. So far it is so dominated by Savchenko & Szokowy it is not even a real rivalry. 4 World titles to 1 and head to head also in favor of S&S. Hopefully this year V&T can improve and make it more of a rivalry rather than just one sided S&S dominance like it has been so far.

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    S/S are such a special team. They're really revolutionized pairs, and they've showed such range throughout their career. They've tried everything and made nearly all of it work. How many other teams could've pulled off "L'Oisseau" or "Pink Panther" or "Pina", nevermind all of them so well? I like V/T, but S/S I adore. It would be so sad that a team like them may never win Olympic Gold. I hope they can have two fantastic, clean skates in Sochi

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickmercer View Post
    I love both Savchenko & Szolkowy and Volosozhar & Trankov. I wish their rivalry was closer. So far it is so dominated by Savchenko & Szokowy it is not even a real rivalry. 4 World titles to 1 and head to head also in favor of S&S. Hopefully this year V&T can improve and make it more of a rivalry rather than just one sided S&S dominance like it has been so far.
    I disagree. First of all, V/T weren't even a team all those years. I didn't expect them to win Worlds their first year together, and it was close the second year. V/T won by a landslide.

    I love both teams for different reasons, and I highly respect S/S creativity and modern look towards pair skating.

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    Well World titles is still 4 to 1, and meetings at Worlds is 2 to 1 so overall S&S are way ahead. V&T need to start beating S&S more and win more big events to make it a real rivalry. Right now it is more rout than rivalry. It seems in the judges eyes the only way V&T can beat S&S is if S&S bomb and V&T skate virtually perfect, so V&T must need a lot of improvement left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninchen View Post
    Thanks for the link. So they are working with a ballet coach from Russia? Can't wait to see the final result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickmercer View Post
    Well World titles is still 4 to 1, and meetings at Worlds is 2 to 1 so overall S&S are way ahead. V&T need to start beating S&S more and win more big events to make it a real rivalry. Right now it is more rout than rivalry. It seems in the judges eyes the only way V&T can beat S&S is if S&S bomb and V&T skate virtually perfect, so V&T must need a lot of improvement left.
    I am sorry I don't think that's the case. First of all, in terms of 2 to 1 world titles, I think the first world competition is immaterial. That was V/T's first season together, its unrealistic to expect them to win worlds their first international season. Heck S/S didn't even medal at their first worlds.

    The second year V/T came very close to beating S/S.

    And this year they are the reigning World, European, and GPF champions. They beat them. I think judges like at the current skating, and V/T have done enough I think to be considered rivals to S/S. In some ways I think the momentum is going in V/T's favor. They are younger, faster, and more powerful. I do think at times S/S though doesn't get enough credit for their transitions.

    I think both teams have their strength and weaknesses. But its ridiculous to say that V/T aren't considered worthy rivals, and you want to bet that S/S take them very seriously in deed as rivals.

    My one concern is I think the Olympics being in Russia may hurt S/S too.

    If you look at the judges scores, I don't think its the case that V/T and S/S aren't considered in the same level.

    I'm frankly torn about who I want to win this one. On the one hand, I hated how S/S were treated in 2010 with Shen/Zhao are returning etc. And I don't think Shen/Zhao so much out skated them at the Olympics either... It was the PCS.

    On the other hand, the Russians "getting their gold back" in Sochi... I do admire everything Russia has done for pairs. So its a hard thing. May the best skates win.

    I do wish that V/T would leave Nicolai.
    Last edited by bek; 09-07-2013 at 09:56 PM.

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    Ice dance and pairs seem to have very obvious top two contenders and both contenders in both disciplines seem to be doing very well early on. In pairs, if the programs are perfect, i would have to give the nod to the Germans. No weird music selections and a flow that has captivated me since 2006 Olympics. The Russians are very good and attractive but their choreography has been underwhelming lately. Their power and consistency has been fabulous. I just hope that both pairs do their absolute 100% best. It's been a long time since we've seen that in pairs.

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    I question whether S&S can carry the Nutcracker. IMO classical is not their forte.

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