I'm not as invested in this season as I have been in all the past seasons, it seems very one-note to me. I'm tired of the green (b)itch and the way that story line has taken over the show, she should have been dealt with in three episodes. All the other characters seem to be pushed into the background and that is NOT where Rumple needs to be. I can't be sure who I hate more, the character or the woman who plays her.
I did love that the curse was broken by Regina's true love kiss with Henry. She deserves a WOW moment like that. I hope we continue to see Regina and Emma working together.
If this is to end in fire
Then we will all burn together
I'm enjoying the Wicked Witch half of this season more than I did the Neverland half, but somehow looking back I feel that Neverland was more consistent. On Sunday's episode I felt like emotions were a bit all over the place. Rebecca Mader IS playing Zelena in a very 'larger than life' manner and it is getting to be a bit much. She can dial it back a tad, for sure. Rebecca uses her eyes expressively in an effective way, but they bug out too often, if that makes sense.
I think the only good thing about Zelena is the fact that she has allowed Regina to be seen as "good" now and probably Rumple too by the end of the season though he was really redeemed when he killed himself and Pan. So if be the end of the season they are all "good guys" I wonder who they will bring in for next season to be the bad guy.
That looks like the way it is heading at least to me.
As long as Zelena is gone forever after this season I will welcome whatever comes next. I don't want her to get a redemption angle; I just want her to die (that sounds so dire, lol).
The other thing I am wondering about is this half of the season was tagged as "Wicked vs. Evil" so why is Emma the one that appears to be needed to bring down the Wicked Witch. Or is there another twist coming?
I have been enjoying the second half quite a bit. I was not a fan of the first half all that much. The lack of Rumple (although I'm sure his torment over the loss of Neil will invade my tv space sooner rather than later) and the real lack of Neil have been real pleasures for me. Surprisingly, I am not nearly as annoyed by the "redemption" of Regina as I thought I would be. I like that the Wicked Witch is bad, bad, bad because she is just bad, bad, bad. I hate redemption arcs.
If the show lacks anything, it's that their world is becoming smaller and smaller. They need to widen their scope, but I imagine budget and the availability of actors are hampering things. At least they're back in Storybrook.
I've started watching a few other Afterbuzz shows since finding it for DWTS; if anyone is interested, here is the Afterbuzz show for this week's OUAT episode: http://site.afterbuzztv.com/shows/on...-tv-aftershow/
I think the OUAT writers just absolutely ruined Rumbelle permanently, and I am beyond upset about it. If they don't fix it I might be done with the show. How am I supposed to root for these two characters, two of the only characters I still really like on the show (besides Regina), when Rumple just outright lied to Belle in the same breath he proposed to her? And the item he proposed to her with, which was supposed to be a symbol of his trust in her, was in fact a fake? And when she gave him said symbol, she also attached a promise to it instead of simply trusting him?
It's totally broken. The writers just cannot leave well enough alone, ever. Way to alienate a core component of your fan base...
In addition, I've always been disturbed by Rumple and Belle's relationship (all I can think of everytime they kiss is "poor actress, with all the cuties in this show, they had to pair her up with the unappealing Dark one").
So I'm fine with ruining Rumbelle to reinstate Rumple!
There was a lot of cop outs in this last episode. Emma and Hooks kiss which was really artificial respiration that took away her powers and then Emma's callousness towards Hook all through the episode. And then to end with Rumple outright lying to Belle during his marriage proposal. It's like the writer's don't want to give anyone a happy ending. I would really like it if it stays away from "soap opera territory" and remains an adventure fantasy show.
However they did kill the Witch! Yay! and the finale looks like it will be amazing with Emma and Hook going back in time.
"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot
So...about that season finale...
SpoilerOh, Elsa! I cannot BELIEVE they put her in the show so soon...they had better have a DANG GOOD storyline planned out for her, and I will be mad if they make her a villian. I mean, I guess she is in the original fairytale (which is VERY different from Frozen) and she sort of plays the villian in the movie, but still! Hee hee hee. If they can cast someone smokin' hot as Hans, that'd be great...
As far as the rest of the story, I liked it as a one-off, as time travel in that capacity tends to give me anxiety as they're always changing so many things, lol. SUCH bad luck for Regina...that was really awful of the writers to do to her. Poor woman needs a BREAK and a little good luck. Maybe she's right; the Evil Queen can never have a happy ending...
ETA: One more speculation:
SpoilerThis did not occur to me, but on a TV website that I read, someone is speculating that the person at the end is actually the White Witch from Narnia. It's obviously not, as that is Elsa to a T, BUT could they possibly bring Narnian characters in? In terms of the Disney universe, yes, but technically I'm not sure they can as Disney no longer has any rights to the C.S. Lewis characters. I don't know if that applies to past rights (i.e. could they put in a character in the show that is based off their MOVIE, not necessarily the books?) but somehow I doubt it. As someone who is heavily involved in Narnia fan forums, I'd like to think I'd know if any Narnia characters were making their way to OuaT. Anyway, it's obviously Elsa, but I thought I'd throw that out there.
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I rather enjoyed the finale. It was not perfect by any means, lol, but I did think it was one of the better episodes. Sorry if my thoughts are a bit scattered...I should really be sleeping!
SpoilerI always go back and forth on how I feel about Regina; she's probably the most complex character on the show. I've seen a lot of comments on Twitter of how Hook can be associated with rape culture, but what about Regina? She basically raped Graham for years and years, and that's never mentioned. Also, in regards to Regina's happy ending, I think the relationship with Robin is underdeveloped. A lot of the relationships are underdeveloped because so much time was spent on Zelena and the Hook/Emma relationship, but I would have liked to see more happen with Regina and Robin before it was an actual, real thing between them. And who is to say that if Marian hadn't been brought to the future, that Robin wouldn't find out just how she died? I don't see that potentially going over well. Last thought on Regina: seriously hoping that all of Regina's character development hasn't just been shot to hell now.
Time travel is always a risky thing, but these writers sure do love messing with time, don't they? Maybe it's from watching LOST that makes me not worry about it too much, (that show...OY). I thought it was done well enough-I wasn't surprised by Emma doing things she probably shouldn't have. Everyone is just lucky she didn't do more to change the future!
I'll be honest, I loved all the Hook/Emma moments. But I would have been okay with fewer as well, since that would give time to other characters/relationships instead. I'm hoping that S4 will bring back more moments with other people, have a more balanced representation.
Not surprised that Elsa was introduced at the very end, there's been a ton of talk about introducing Elsa and Anna into OUAT. Their popularity skyrocketed and from what I've been reading, there have been more requests to include Elsa and Anna than many other Disney characters. Not sure if we'll ever see Tiana, Pocahontas or Jasmine, but who really can say.
Speaking of Jasmine, one of my friends and I totally thought that instead of going right back to Storybrooke, Emma and Hook were going to be transported to Agrabah and that mystery girl would turn out to be Jasmine. It totally threw us for a loop when she turned out to be Marian.
SpoilerI have friends who are HATING on Emma for ruining Regina/Robin, which I'm sort of "hmm?" about. Emma was saving the LIFE of an innocent person; what kind of person would she be if she had the power to save her and didn't? She at least can claim innocence by not realizing who Marian was. I argue that even IF she had known that it was Marian, she still would have saved her. Do we expect that Emma would have left the mother of a child there to die just so Regina could be with Robin? It seems a little...selfish.
Don't get me wrong, I feel HORRIBLY for Regina and I think it's an awful bit of bad luck she's been dealt. But when you're weighing the life of a woman who is a mother to a child with her own personal love life, the right thing to do is NOT leaving Marian to die.
I'm wondering, does anyone know when Tink's prediction about Robin and Regina was made in relation to Snow and Charming meeting? I.e. was it pre-Marian death, or post-Marian death. It might make a difference, at least in terms of who Regina is fated to be with. If Robin wasn't destined to be Regina's love until AFTER Marian died, then maybe Marian not dying changed the timeline and Tink showed Regina ANOTHER man at the pub that night. If Tink showed Regina BEFORE Marian died (awkward), well...I guess it sucks to be Mariana at some point in the future, right? Regina should check the book and see, haha.
I, too thought that Marian might be Jasmine. Especially since the Knave of Hearts from OuaTiW is supposed to be showing up soon and that would tie in as he was a real genie at one time. Even having her turn out to be an eventual Big Time Villain would have been preferable to her being the ONE person I did not want showing up to mess with Regina and Robin, haha. Although Emma loses either way...sucks to be her sometimes.
I guess Elsa and Anna coming into the show would fit quite well with OuaT's trend of focusing on families and their relationships. If you think about it, the whole SHOW has been about family. Adding the dangerous icy sister and the cute gullible one fits right in, haha!
SpoilerI can. Nobody does synergy like Disney. Not to mention striking while the iron's hot.
SpoilerI feel like that's what happens when a show elevates romantic love above every other value -- the fans follow suit. Once has done that consistently, which is one of the major reasons that I stopped watching (though I haven't stopped reading about it, as you can see ).
And by the way, we childless people are worthy of being saved too!
Charter member of the "We Always Believed in Ashley" Club and the "We Believe in Ricky" Club
Old, lonely, pathos-hungry, and extremely gullible