About 24 years ago, a young woman who was later to become a very casual acquaintance/friend, went to the World Championships of Gymnastics on the US team. She did very well. She was 4'11" and about 95 pounds with rosy, plump cheeks everyone wanted to pinch (kind of like Irina Slutskaya's) and a judge there told her coach and her that she was overweight and had to lose weight. She did. When she was 47 pounds, she died.
What is my point? TSL has a section called, "This and That" in which the """""""""journalists"""""""""" make remarks about skaters, sometimes making comments about body-type, weight, etc.
All it takes is ONE comment to a very young, driven, determined athlete to create a true eating disorder. Jennifer Kirk made a name for herself after skating by writing about her disordered eating. How she can be part of a public forum that publishes criticisms of athletes, their body types, what they look like and wear....
Well, she should know better than to be party to such a public forum. Aunt Joyce and Ms. Kirk really need to re-evalute what they are doing, why they are doing it and how they are doing it.
Right now, they are not doing it well.
I agree that given how thin Jenny and Dave both are--Jenny in particular--they should watch the tone of some comments about bodies and weight gain. Some fans-- quite a few of whom I have seen at events eating corn dogs and popcorn by the dozen-- may naturally take offense at any trace of snarkiness coming from people who appear to lack experience with size. I take offense at moments having been fat in adolescence. Little do fans know that Dave Lease is one of the kindest and most accepting people around who would never discriminate against or hurt anyone. Most everything they say is true and any coach will tell you the same things, but probably more diplomatically.
I think Jenny wants to bring attention to the subject of eating disorders and the psychological challenges athletes face growing up in this sport. That's why she and Dave focus on these tough psychological and life/career management topics with some of their guests. People in the sport only benefit from bringing this into the light. In secrecy is where things like the tragedy of Christy Henrich are more likely to happen.
Thinness and body are part of the sport--and quite honestly necessary for the sport's aesthetics, and the same is true of fashion. It doesn't make it go away to be politically correct. Judges/coaches are still saying things to young athletes, and pressures are there. TSL is inspired to improve the situation by talking about what's happened and what's going on--the real attitudes and events--in the experiences of athletes..
They also manage to explore with humor how athletes and coaches have overcome bad things--or at least gotten through them.
Last edited by TheIronLady; 09-03-2013 at 08:25 PM.
The disucssion of athletes weights makes me a bit twitchy, but I was at least pleased in the last video I saw when they were discussing a skater's weight, that they focused it more on 'elite athlete shape'; and really did differentiate "skater fat" from "actually fat". As in: this girl is incredibly small, and in wonderful shape; most people would kill to have her body. But she is not in 'fighting shape', she is not in her best form as an elite athlete.
Having seen "Aunt Joyce" make some horrible comments about skaters, I thought, if it has to be discussed, this was a step in the right direction.
Since Jenny Kirk suffered from disordered eating, I'm surprised they do discuss it at all though.
I still can't get over the story of Christy Henrich. When you read about, you can see how necessary awareness is. It was the saddest tragedy because I do not believe it would have happened today. The parents and coaches did not have the awareness or the medical knowledge to help them recognize and deal with it. The sport was just starting to deal with it. The pendulum had swung so far toward ED-promotion in terms of that sport's standards.
Not saying anything about Kirk in particular--only that in general, sometimes the worst critics are they very people who are disordered in their eating (now or in the past).
So not only have Kirk and Lease been extremely unprofessional in asking their fans to e-mail USFS (instead of taking it on the chin and trying to eventually win USFS over by producing high quality content) but they have now been revealed to have used other people's/companies' material without asking for permission first. If they want to be seen as a legitimate news outlet, they could start with acting like one.
Last edited by Ziggy; 09-04-2013 at 01:35 AM.
http://www.theskatinglesson.com/about/jenny-kirk/A recent graduate of Boise State University, Jenny has embarked on a new career as a broadcast journalist and is very excited to share others’ stories with you through The Skating Lesson.
I understand the point about asking permission, but why would fans want to obstruct creative people trying to feature skating on the internet over a trivial and legalistic matter such as snippets of YouTube clips?
Last edited by TheIronLady; 09-04-2013 at 01:42 AM.
"You want them to be paying royalties (to whom?) for short clips when they are not even a profit generating business at this time?"
Maybe yes. I certainly want them to acknowledge the work of others and ask for permission where possible (we appear to have a perfect example of not doing that right here in this thread). And we should wait for them to tell the world that they've turned a profit before expecting them to respect the rights of others? If you play with the books enough, you can never turn a profit but still make money - if the Hollywood system has taught us nothing else, it has taught us that one.
I'm not saying that they're making a dime at this point - surely they aren't. But they also don't appear to take a very professional approach to use of videos. If they respect others' rights then others will respect them - they really need to take a hard look at their operating model if they want to make anything professional of TSL in the longer term.
Thanks Ziggy for drawing the bottom on this issue ,"If you want to use somebody else's work, you ask."
Last edited by Willowway; 09-04-2013 at 02:10 AM.
"A "donation" button may lead people to think that it might be tax deductible for them to donate so you have to be clear that your are not a 501(c(3)) entity and that donations are not tax deductible. There is nothing illegal about asking people to donate money. The illegality comes from fraud or misrepresentation.
Now, if you are going to use a mode such as this for "earning" money, you need to be very scrupulous in your record keeping and report all money received either on your Schedule C (assuming you are a sole-proprietorship) or other business tax form (1065, 1120-S etc). I you are none of these, then this gets entered on the front of your Form 1040, line 21 (at least on this year's form).
Receiving solicited donations constitutes income and not a "gift". the IRS will also consider it as income."
So... who's gonna claim the money and the trip?