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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I wonder why just the level 1 for her final spin?!
    Not sure...it looks like she was going for these 4 features:

    Change of edge on camel
    Difficult sit variation
    Difficult upright variation
    All three basic positions on both feet

    The change of edge wasn't very clear, so I can see that not counting.

    Both difficult variations were held for (just) two rotations, which I believe counts.

    And she definitely hit all three basic positions on both feet.

    So I'm puzzled by the call, too. Perhaps a technical specialist can help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by all_empty View Post
    So I'm puzzled by the call, too. Perhaps a technical specialist can help.
    Not a technical specialist, but in the 1st sit spin Yuna's backside was above the knee level and the upper part of her leg wasn't parallel to the ice or lower (the second sit spin looked suspicious as well, but in the video I have it's difficult to tell for sure due to the camera position). It also looked as if she lost the camel position (her free leg knee dropped below the hip level) while doing the inside camel, and in result the first position (and the change of edge) might not have counted.

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    I can't stop watching this program. She is so exquisite and beautiful. Also, is it me or her first 3Lutz HUMONGOUS, even by her standard? Maybe that's why she fell, coz it was so big.

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    Honestly i enjoyed her FS practice more than the FS itself here .

    Really love her outfit though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladola View Post
    Honestly i enjoyed her FS practice more than the FS itself here .

    Really love her outfit though
    It looked like the program was undergoing the teething problems of a first performance, particularly after insufficient preparation following injury.

    She looked somewhat tight, the choreographic action not quite broken in, and she admitted that falling on her first jump pass, her money 3-3 combo, rattled her a bit. She did not have her usual pop and burnish in most areas, including jumps, spins, steps, and rhythmic precision. It was, in short, a bit of an off day.

    But I personally think that this program has huge upside, both in scoring potential, and ability to wow the audience. But she needs more training time and another competitive outing. It is reasonable to think that these issues would make themselves more apparent in the Long Program, and I think that was the case here.

    Fortunately, according to reports on her latest interviews in Korea today, Yuna is strongly hinting at the possibility of competing again, probably at Korean Nationals, before Sochi. They will be held January 3-5. She was pretty firm in discounting the possibility of a 4CC appearance, as being way too close to the Olympics.

    I am hopeful that we will see her again in early January, and, further, that we will see very significant progress by then.

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    Q: Do you feel pressure about winning in Sochi?

    KIM: Since I already won a gold medal in 2010, winning is not my first goal - but to finish my career beautifully. Not to make mistakes, to enjoy as much as possible.
    I'm not sure I believe that.
    I suspect that there is enormous pressure/expectation from her Fed.; and many others, in Korea, and beyond

    I'd like to think that she could simply "enjoy" the experience and not be " disappointed"/considered to have failed in some way, if she doesn't win another OGM.
    However, I doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    I'm not sure I believe that.
    I suspect that there is enormous pressure/expectation from her Fed.; and many others, in Korea, and beyond

    I'd like to think that she could simply "enjoy" the experience and not be " disappointed"/considered to have failed in some way, if she doesn't win another OGM.
    However, I doubt it.
    The question of whether Yuna can successfully shield herself from being sucked into the vortex of all the various public expectations and pressures is going to be a critical one, IMO.

    On the one hand, the fact that she's the reigning champ makes expectations greater (although I personally beiieve that the public pressure to win, as distinct from expectations, is nowhere near as great as for Vancouver, simply because 2010 was breaking uncharted ground). On the other hand, it's possible that, having already won, she won't put as much pressure on herself.

    However, when reading interviews with champion athletes in other sports, a sentiment that I have seen so regularly that it is almost like a refrain: the first time is always the hardest. Winning The Big One, they seem to imply, is almost a learned ability in itself.

    Yuna was manifestly successful in navigating these waters in 2010. I am hoping that experience will stand her in good stead in Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    I'm not sure I believe that.
    I suspect that there is enormous pressure/expectation from her Fed.; and many others, in Korea, and beyond

    I'd like to think that she could simply "enjoy" the experience and not be " disappointed"/considered to have failed in some way, if she doesn't win another OGM.
    However, I doubt it.
    I guess it's a kind of PC answer for her at this point.

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    Kim had Orser and distance leading into Vancouver. She's faced whatever pressures since last year without a high-profie coach and at home. She seems like a tough cookie, and it's understandable that she wants to take Sochi on her own terms.
    "The team doesn't get automatic capacity because management is mad" -- Greg Smith, agile guy

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYfDIiu15Y
    I found this cool fancam of her SP practice. Apparently it was filmed with super slow-motion feature and it really shows the quality of Yuna's every move on ice

    My only wish for Yuna is that she skates through her last season with every bit of passion she has in her and leave no regrets. She really deserves that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    I'm not sure I believe that.
    I suspect that there is enormous pressure/expectation from her Fed.; and many others, in Korea, and beyond

    I'd like to think that she could simply "enjoy" the experience and not be " disappointed"/considered to have failed in some way, if she doesn't win another OGM.
    However, I doubt it.
    But, wouldn't it be the way for all the top skaters in the world? They all have their own pressure from federations and themselves. They all say they want no regrets and just look forward to doing everything they can do out there, trying not to think about the pressure. Only thing that stands out in Yuna's status is that she has OGM.
    Even though it may not be the happiest moment for her/KSU/fans/compatriats if she doesn't win at Sochi, hopefully that's not the worst thing in the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Kim had Orser and distance leading into Vancouver. She's faced whatever pressures since last year without a high-profie coach and at home. She seems like a tough cookie, and it's understandable that she wants to take Sochi on her own terms.
    I'm inclined to agree with this. There's no denying that just pretty much everything seemed to help Yuna's run for OGM in 2010--Orser was great in handling and distancing the pressure, she was training in Canada, surrounded by foreigners 24/7 who certainly knew what to do with her skating. In a way, this is a challenge and another chance for her to prove herself; how she can manage every aspect of her career/skating and how she can set herself apart from the rest of the field just by training at home where nobody is used to dealing with high-profile skaters.
    Seriously, when I watch team Yuna at kiss and cry zone, I can't help thinking "What would those coaches be thinking about those scores Yuna get? That LP score of hers alone is much much higher than any other skater's total scores they've ever trained!"

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    But those were her original coaches, right? She got her jump technique from them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    But those were her original coaches, right? She got her jump technique from them?
    Yes. And she left them for Canadians at the beginning of her senior career. If she stayed home, I don't think she would have had the success and development she has now. Much better environment and connection helped her a lot. Most of all, Orser knew how to protect and speak for his students and David and Tracy Wilson were much involved in her training therefore helping her progress more effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'etoile View Post
    Yes. And she left them for Canadians at the beginning of her senior career. If she stayed home, I don't think she would have had the success and development she has now. Much better environment and connection helped her a lot. Most of all, Orser knew how to protect and speak for his students and David and Tracy Wilson were much involved in her training therefore helping her progress more effectively.
    Kim's skate at worlds last year was probably her best ever so I think her coaches know what they are doing. I am more worried about judging feedback.

    Plus maybe she wants to be at home with friends and family. Maybe to she wants some Korean coaches to gain this experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleWallie View Post
    Thank you for the link. I was underwhelmed. I hope it was just a funky skate for her.

    And for the record.............I think Yu-Na's SP is sublime. I think she is in a league of her own. I never dreamed she could make this kind of come back. So, back to my original: I hope it was just a funky skate.
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    Yu-Na's SP is my favorite that she's ever done....

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    Kim's skate at worlds last year was probably her best ever so I think her coaches know what they are doing.
    Or at this point, she knows what she's doing and those two coaches are just there to provide support here and there. IMO, Les Miserables falls short of Gershwin.

    I do wish she was still with Orser for these upcoming Olympics (prob. going to get flamed by some users for this comment). I just get the sense that her 2010 season was more smoothly and efficiently run on all fronts, from physical condition to costumes to music cut to choreography, etc.

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    How quickly you forget the YUNABOMB! Which came on the heels of Orser referring to her as invincible or something like that in an interview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternitygoddess View Post
    Or at this point, she knows what she's doing and those two coaches are just there to provide support here and there. IMO, Les Miserables falls short of Gershwin.

    I do wish she was still with Orser for these upcoming Olympics (prob. going to get flamed by some users for this comment). I just get the sense that her 2010 season was more smoothly and efficiently run on all fronts, from physical condition to costumes to music cut to choreography, etc.
    I'm not saying Kim wouldn't be better of with Orser. However, I want to point out that I thought Kim looked calmer at Worlds last year than she did before....

    I don't think its fair to say these coaches know nothing. They were the ones who taught her to skate, its not nothing. She came to Brian with great skating skills and beautiful jumping technique that were instilled by her Korean coaches.

    There's also the fact that there's no language barrier as well as there had to have been between her and Brian. I know Kim mentioned in article that she might go to a foreign coach for the Olympic year, so I think she definitely considered this. Then worlds went as well as it did. She may have felt why fix what is clearly not broken.

    I think the trajectory for her is maybe like last years competition. Slowly building to the Olympics...

    Maybe she'd be better of with Brian or a foreign coach, I don't know. But its not like she's being coached by a ballet dancer! She has real figure skating coaches who clearly know something about skating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bek View Post
    I'm not saying Kim wouldn't be better of with Orser. However, I want to point out that I thought Kim looked calmer at Worlds last year than she did before....

    I don't think its fair to say these coaches know nothing. They were the ones who taught her to skate, its not nothing. She came to Brian with great skating skills and beautiful jumping technique that were instilled by her Korean coaches.

    There's also the fact that there's no language barrier as well as there had to have been between her and Brian. I know Kim mentioned in article that she might go to a foreign coach for the Olympic year, so I think she definitely considered this. Then worlds went as well as it did. She may have felt why fix what is clearly not broken.

    I think the trajectory for her is maybe like last years competition. Slowly building to the Olympics...

    Maybe she'd be better of with Brian or a foreign coach, I don't know. But its not like she's being coached by a ballet dancer! She has real figure skating coaches who clearly know something about skating.
    I agree, bek. Her childhood and current coaches deserve a lot of credit. They helped her build excellent techniques during her formative years. More, she had developed into a remarkable performer already during her junior years, before she moved to Canada for training.

    She looked comfortable during the last Worlds in London Canada, with her current Korean coaches who guided her since she wore her first pair of skates. It will be a very special moment for Yuna and her coaches to be together at the final competitive event of her career.
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