Since somebody mentioned Borodulin: Any news of him?
Since somebody mentioned Borodulin: Any news of him?
"I'm not in this world to live up to your expectations and you're not in this world to live up to mine."
Medal from worlds means something, but it is not enough when it is 2 seasons ago. 3 years ago Verner was quite good. Would you send him now instead of someone more deserving such as Brezina? I don't think anyone is trying to take her achievement away; Leonova will have her medal forever. Unfortunately when deciding who they are going to send, they have to look at how the skater has been skating recently, not 2 seasons ago.
Would you send Czisny to Olympics just based on the fact that a few seasons ago she won GPF? Or would you look at how she is skating now?
so much speculation right now, nobody would be surprised of olympics with la tuk and adelina, if alena stays at home. she and makarova were the beginning of russian ladies forcing back, as you said, she has her medal, no one can take that away from her.
To be honest, I quite wish Czisny got the third spot, but she would have to skate well. It would be extremely unfair if she got it despite skating badly at US nationals, just as a reward for her past accomplishments. That would just be unfair towards the others. But I am crossing my fingers for her.Maybe she will have the skate of her life at the nationals.
I know Sochi is important to the skaters and the Russian fed, but I'm looking beyond Sochi for the Russian ladies. The next four years hold a lot of promise. I hope pairs in Russia don't hit a slump with the loss of V/T as I'm pretty sure they'll be gone. B/L should be there, but there's a pretty big gap between them and the rest. But, pairs take time and there are some good junior teams that might be there for the next 8 years. Actually, it will be interesting to see where pairs dominance shifts over the next 4 years as S/S and Pang/Tong will be finished as well.
As for Russian men, who knows. They don't have another Plushenko...haven't had for the last 8 years...so who knows? Russian ladies are where it's at in the next quad.
Those who never succeed themselves are always the first to tell you how.
They definitely need to stop looking for Plushenko level consistency and wins and just try about supporting an Abt! They get close with Gachinski with his worlds bronze and euro silver and does really poorly at a worlds and then go too far in public bashing. I know success in mens was so much greater than success in ladies and failure in men is considered outrageous but how about having some of the tolerance for disappointment they showed with Sotnikova and Tuktamisheva! Though I think the coddling of Kovtun shows that they are going in that direction.
Last edited by caseyedwards; 08-23-2013 at 12:29 AM.
I think China, Russia, Canada will be the tops in pairs, in any order. Right now it doesn't look like any of them has a strong pair past Sochi. Russia does have B&L, and China has at least one young promising pair, but not three like they did in the past (S&Z, P&T, Z&Z). Canada could have two, if the current pairs plan to go for 2018 (I don't know their ages). We may never see again any one country dominating, the way Russia did for 40 years in pairs. I am hoping that some of the younger pairs would develop into something special. I miss the great Russian pairs of the past.
B/L never looked as if they had world champions written on them to me but I can see some of the junior pairs looking good after 2014. I also see V/T taking some time off then trying again in 2018 if they stay healthy, especially if something happens where they don’t get an Olympic Medal.
I agree with what you said about Plushenko, like him or not he sure is something special.
Actually I think Russian pairs will dominate even after the Olympics, at least within Europe. From the simple reason that there is no one else strong enough. The strongest without Russian pairs there is Berton-Hotarek and James-Cipres (if we think that Savchenko-Szolkowy retire too). Bazarova-Larionov have beaten Berton-Hotarek and James-Cipres in the past, and on one occasion Stolbova-Klimov too. Gerboldt -Enbert are coming back after she had two surgeries last season so they may potentially get into their shape as they were in their first season. Antipova -Maisuradze have done quite decently, finishing at 4th place at senior nationals. Considering how short time they are together (relatively) they may have some future after the Olympics. I don't expect much from Martiusheva- Rogonov (pity, I really like them. I wish she was landing her jumps!!!)
Plus we mustn't forget that some decent Russian junior pairs will be coming to seniors next year. I think Tarasova-Morozov will be ageing out of juniors (someone correct me if I am wrong) and Maybe within a year or two it will be also Davankova-Deputat and Fedorova-Miroshkin.
No, I am definitely not worried that Russians would be lacking decent pairs after Volosozhar-Trankov and Kavaguti-Smirnov retire.
Within worlds I do think Russian will manage to have three pairs within first ten even after Volosozhar-Trankov and Kavaguti-Smirnov retire.
"Sotnikova placed third at Russian nationals but her free skate was very bad." Who cares what her free skate was? If she was great enough to make up the points that even with very bad FS she finished third? Gracie Gold also did not have that great one GP event (finishing 7th), did not have that great 4CC (finishing 6th) and messing up her SP at the nationals (placed ninth in the short program). And yet somehow you are not writing her off...
Last edited by hanca; 08-23-2013 at 09:13 PM.
Adelina not making the Olympics Team barring injury wont happen
about the Pairs even after V/T and K/S retire
there will still be B/L and S/K then comes some others like G/E, A/M or M/R
juniors F/M, T/M, V/Z, C/C etc.
maybe they'll have to climb again but there wont be a deficit
I'm afraid M/R may never be successful, he's 25 and they have been together for over 7 years. Whatever problems they have are here to stay. It's time to get her to a good coach and both to new partners.
Polina Agafonova FS at test skates to 'Pink Panther'
i like her developement in skating, unfortunately she takes really long preparation before the jumps, which seem kinda underrotaed, not to speak of her 2nd half of the program.
steps really slow, nice layback in the end.
sadly, that we will not see her at any championships, we know, other european countries would be pleased with a skater of that level