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    Some observations up to this point in the GP series -

    It goes w/o saying that Wagner and Gold are both locks for 2 of the 3 slots for Sochi '14. Gold w/ a few mistakes in her LP was still double digits score-wise ahead of Gao, Hicks, et al.

    Gao is probably a slight favorite at this point for #3 because she is the most together in her skating; fairly consistent, rotated jumps, reliable 3t-3t, improved 2x

    Hicks could be a spoiler but she is too 'green', manifested by her performances at SC where she choked in the SP. Still, if everyone else fails, she could grab #3

    I really hold out hope for Nagasu. She did start rotating her jumps including a 3t-3t by the final GP event last year. She looks hungrier than I've ever seen her. NO falls, step outs, grit and determination despite it all. If she gets the jumps around, she'll be fighting for #3

    IMO, Zawadzki is one more bad performance away from getting dumped by the USFSA. If she fails in the LP at CoC and at her next GP event, she's toast at Nationals.

    Sadly, I think by virtue of the fact that Czisny is not getting any Senior B's thus far probably signifies that the USFSA is not expecting anything from her outside of a miracle. We'll see at Sectionals, but she needs an international competition to qualify for the Olympics. She has 1 shot in December to get an invite to Golden Spin, NRW Trophy, or something like that. Perhaps the USFSA is waiting to see how she does at Sectionals to see if she merits being specially sent to a Senior B that normally the USFSA doesn't send skaters to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Some observations up to this point in the GP series -

    It goes w/o saying that Wagner and Gold are both locks for 2 of the 3 slots for Sochi '14. Gold w/ a few mistakes in her LP was still double digits score-wise ahead of Gao, Hicks, et al.

    Gao is probably a slight favorite at this point for #3 because she is the most together in her skating; fairly consistent, rotated jumps, reliable 3t-3t, improved 2x

    Hicks could be a spoiler but she is too 'green', manifested by her performances at SC where she choked in the SP. Still, if everyone else fails, she could grab #3

    I really hold out hope for Nagasu. She did start rotating her jumps including a 3t-3t by the final GP event last year. She looks hungrier than I've ever seen her. NO falls, step outs, grit and determination despite it all. If she gets the jumps around, she'll be fighting for #3

    IMO, Zawadzki is one more bad performance away from getting dumped by the USFSA. If she fails in the LP at CoC and at her next GP event, she's toast at Nationals.

    Sadly, I think by virtue of the fact that Czisny is not getting any Senior B's thus far probably signifies that the USFSA is not expecting anything from her outside of a miracle. We'll see at Sectionals, but she needs an international competition to qualify for the Olympics. She has 1 shot in December to get an invite to Golden Spin, NRW Trophy, or something like that. Perhaps the USFSA is waiting to see how she does at Sectionals to see if she merits being specially sent to a Senior B that normally the USFSA doesn't send skaters to.
    Please. Agnes hasn't shown she's been worthy of being on the podium at Nationals ever since she turned senior. USFSA is too blind to see that and have continually propped her up for no reason. I doubt if she has one more bad skate, they're going to dump her. If she gets that third place spot at Nationals with a cra*tastic skate, I'm going to scream. USFSA should have dumped her ages ago before Mirai.

    I found it funny that Scott thought that Agnes would one day be national champion in 2011. In his dreams! I knew it was never going to happen and I was vocal about it. On the other hand, I always knew Ashley had everything to be a top US lady, but everyone told me that with Ashley, it was always 'would have,' 'should have,' 'could have.' Well I was right. So I should become the new NBC analyst and Scott should retire.

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    And all I want to say is... Why is everyone skating to such c*** in an Olympic year? Between Ashley's LP, Gracie's SP, Carolina's SP, Kanako's SP, and Adelina's SP is anyone besides Mao and Akiko skating to anything normal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    I found it funny that Scott thought that Agnes would one day be national champion in 2011. In his dreams! I knew it was never going to happen and I was vocal about it.
    I don't think it's far fetched one bit. US judges love Agnes and turn a blind eye to her errors. They've propped up much worse performances (Czisny in 2009) so it could still happen. I pray it doesn't, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    I found it funny that Scott thought that Agnes would one day be national champion in 2011. In his dreams! I knew it was never going to happen and I was vocal about it. On the other hand, I always knew Ashley had everything to be a top US lady, but everyone told me that with Ashley, it was always 'would have,' 'should have,' 'could have.' Well I was right. So I should become the new NBC analyst and Scott should retire.
    It could still happen - she is only 19. Honestly, I always thought that in the right hands she could do some serious damage but (thus far) she has been unable to find that. The talent is there, I think. I mean, look at Wagner - went from B-list US skater to possible Oly medal contender in just 2 years. And she isn't even anything special TBH. It's proof AGAIN that it's not enough to be talented. It may not even be enough to be a hard worker. You have to be in the right hands (have the right team around you) and be lucky.

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    Not that I'll change anyone's mind, but I don't think anyone's going to dump anyone. Whoever skates well in Boston come January will go to the Olys and that is that. I just hope that they all stay healthy from now to February.

    Like Agnes or not, she hardly ever gets < or << even when she falls. She has the height on her jumps. Her triple Lutz is beautiful and never takes off on the wrong edge. That's more than one can say about most US ladies.
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    I think Polina Edmunds could potentially be in the mix for the 3rd spot on the Olympic team. I know she has only competed on the JGP, but she has been impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSfan107 View Post
    I think Polina Edmunds could potentially be in the mix for the 3rd spot on the Olympic team. I know she has only competed on the JGP, but she has been impressive.
    She will be crucified by the caller with <s and <<s at any senior internationals for many of the jumps she did this season.

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    Even if Polina got 3rd at Nationals, I doubt USFSA would send her to the Olympics. That's not happening despite what other people might think.

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    Though Agnes was away from Tom Z for a while, she did and still skates like a Tom Z skater. She can use more work in skating skills, speed, etc.
    When her jumps are on she can be exciting though

    eta: I am not getting Agnes's low tes. The judges were really stingy with the goes. The first three jumps looked big compared to the previous girls and she didn't get much goe out of them.

    And the URs in the second half. Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    Even if Polina got 3rd at Nationals, I doubt USFSA would send her to the Olympics. That's not happening despite what other people might think.
    I don't see why they wouldn't send her? It's not like the 3rd US Lady is expected to medal anyways or maybe even make the top 10. It would be great experience for her though. I would rather see someone like her then a veteran who finished 4th but won't do any better in Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    I don't see why they wouldn't send her? It's not like the 3rd US Lady is expected to medal anyways or maybe even make the top 10. It would be great experience for her though. I would rather see someone like her then a veteran who finished 4th but won't do any better in Sochi.
    She very untested on a senior stage and isn't exactly the most consistent skater either. That 4th place finisher might not do any better, but Polina has bombed many times and will get dumped on PCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Honestly I think the best any of Mirai, Agnes, or Christina could hope to do in Sochi is 7th or 8th place, and even that would require them skating light outs, and lots of mistakes. Everyone skating perfectly and none of those three would even be in the top 10. Mirai's opportunity for medals on the big stage is long past at this point; or at the very least it would take a couple years straight of great skating, improving, and regained momentum/recognition to ever reach that stage again. Someone like Wagner would need to skate perfectly and others to mess up (even with her new 3-3s) to medal in Sochi, so even that scenario would be far fetched for Mirai who is miles behind Wagner in USFSA support, reputation and momentum (as well as frankly being the better skater today anyway) at this point.

    With all that said I would like to see Christina go as she is the most likely to skate her best and possibly sneak in that top 10 potential finish the 3rd U.S lady (whoever it is) could get.

    To think Carolina or Mao skating at their peak (which I assume you mean to be skating cleanly with what they currently have planned) could ever lose to Mirai at this point is pure fantasy. Carolina and Mao skating perfectly with all they have now could even make it very close vs a clean Yu Na Kim, as Mao's base value is like 10 points higher than Kim's, and Carolina can roughly match Kim in almost every category of scoring right now. Kim would probably win even in that case (and yes I know it is super unlikely Mao or Carolina would skate cleanly, but the same is true of Mirai) but it would be very close between the three for sure. So to say an inspired Mirai could beat a clean Carolina or Mao, is almost the equivalent of saying an inspired Mirai could possibly beat a clean Yu Na Kim right now which is a huge

    Mirai is not as good a skater as 2010 by a long shot even on her best day, and even in 2010 she did not medal at the Games with her best performances, and points wise wasnt particularly close Even if one thinks she should have (and I would have given her the bronze possibly) it would only be 5 times more likely she was underplaced/robbed of a certain placing than it was back then, when there was atleast no strong American clearly above her, Flatt being National Champ aside.
    No, I did not mean Mao or Carolina skating at their peak; I mean Christina, Agnes and Mirai - if either three American ladies skated the best they possibly could, Mirai would have a better chance at beating Mao or Carolina, admittedly, perhaps a struggling Mao or Carolina. Mirai has done this like in the short program at 2010 worlds. And she beat Carolina in the Olympics when she was not even perfect. I don't think Christina or Agnes, even if they skated their best, could beat Mao or Carolina unless the latter two were really off.

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    Mirai's days of beating Mao or Kostner are pretty much over unless they bomb.

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    ^Well Mirai never beat Mao anyway even in the old days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Mirai's days of beating Mao or Kostner are pretty much over unless they bomb.
    It will definitely not happen with Mao, but Carolina is another story, she did not look great at Cup of China and the choreography of that program is horrible. Of course, Mirai is not at her 2010 level and likely will not return to that level. But if she was, she would be better than what Carolina put forth today

    I am not sure if Carolina is injured or if something else is the matter or if the season is just starting off slow for her. But she has to change things around if she will be a factor in Sochi, or sadly this will be just a repeat of Torino...and Vancouver and she will be remembered as the lady who always flaked during Olympic seasons. I hope the problem is physical rather than mental because there is a greater chance of that being fixed by Sochi time.

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    In any event, it looks like the third pick will be Christina, Agnes was a mess today, they cannot have her in that 3rd spot, her days of being propped up are over. If Christina skates clean it is hers to lose I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    ^Well Mirai never beat Mao anyway even in the old days...
    Mirai won the SP at Worlds in 2010


    I don't think Mirai's programs this year are anything to write home about. It's like she's using walmart as her choreographer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    She very untested on a senior stage and isn't exactly the most consistent skater either. That 4th place finisher might not do any better, but Polina has bombed many times and will get dumped on PCS.
    People said the same thing about Pogorilaya in seniors and well, she seems to be off to a good start I like Edmunds and think she will do well on seniors and could very well deserve the 3rd spot on the team, though I'd be surprised if she got it. It's okay though, at 15 she has plenty of time to gain experience on the senior international level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky166 View Post
    People said the same thing about Pogorilaya in seniors and well, she seems to be off to a good start I like Edmunds and think she will do well on seniors and could very well deserve the 3rd spot on the team, though I'd be surprised if she got it. It's okay though, at 15 she has plenty of time to gain experience on the senior international level.
    The US has no need to push 15 year old's to make their Olympic team unlike Russia which doesn't have a lot of good skaters older then 18.

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