10-07-2013, 01:14 AM
I don't see the << on Mirai's second flip. Yes, she landed it two-footed and it was kind of UR, but a -3 from one judge and -2 from the rest? Seems pretty harsh to me.
10-07-2013, 02:19 AM
^ Two footed jumps (especially when very apparent) are an automatic -2 for GOE.
10-07-2013, 02:21 AM
Ohhhh, okay!!! Thanks for the clarification. Hoping she can get the jumps cleaned up. . . but, um, we've all been saying that for a few years now
10-07-2013, 03:11 AM
I'm not even sure we could say at this point that Agnes or Christina are really the secondary contenders based on what we've seen so far this early in the season. Christina is coming off of an injury and doesn't look that great, while Agnes is still a mess as she always was (I still don't understand why she's been 3rd place at Nationals for the last, what, three seasons?)
Originally Posted by RD
10-07-2013, 04:16 PM
I agree with you on this. I don't think Zawadzki and Gao are any more likely than Hicks and Nagasu. (I DO think it will be one of those four.)
Originally Posted by smarts1
10-07-2013, 04:31 PM
I think besides the favorites (Wagner, Gold), and main contenders (Zawadski, Hicks, Gao) , the two that could surprise are
Edmunds can challenge if she continues to make a strong case as she has so far this season, she and Hicks are 'building the campaign' , as Paul Wylie would say. Wang has got to be one the highest quality skaters all around, fabulous skating skills, difficult and quality jumps, and superb mature presentation, but she's a headcase.
Not sure where Nagasu fits in here. I love her skating, but she hasn't scored well in a while, so much depends on who is doing the calling.
10-07-2013, 04:35 PM
sad Caroline Zhang hasn't been mentioned and has gone with the wind
10-07-2013, 07:44 PM
I actually think it's too early to call Wang a headcase. I think she was off the ice (rumor is she was injured) and is under-trained (hence her re-assignment from an early JGP) and isn't ready to compete yet. I think (hope?) when she's had a chance to adequately train it, the errors in her long program will start to clear up.
Originally Posted by FunnyBut
10-07-2013, 07:46 PM
No one but Ashley seems like a good bet to make the Olympic team at this time. All the others are inconsistent or headcases.
10-07-2013, 08:05 PM
DH - and that's just my opinion
10-08-2013, 12:05 AM
- Rep Power
I think once Gracie gets settled w/ FC, things will fall into place as far as her skating is concerned. The GP series will be telling.
10-08-2013, 12:42 AM
Originally Posted by pinky166
I agree with all that. Although the way things are going now i wouldnt be surprised if Gold drops into the main contenders for the 2nd and 3rd spot group, and Gao drops to the secondary contenders for the 2nd and 3rd spot group.
I really think if the Olympic team was picked tommorow Hicks would be on it.
10-08-2013, 01:27 AM
I'm with you, while I hope Gao shows good performances at Nats, thinking of her mom. I also hope Mirai makes a Olympic team, thinking of her mom. Oh my...US needs four spots.
Originally Posted by toddlj
10-08-2013, 03:35 AM
Well she hasn't skated well the last season and no one really knows how she's training, so at this point, she isn't really contending although things could change. Does anyone know how Caroline is doing?
Originally Posted by love_skate2011
10-08-2013, 04:39 AM
Mirai improved a tremendous amount between Glacier Falls and Finlandia (where she got hosed on some her jumps, IMO). If she keeps on this same path, and keeps her head together, she can be proud of herself no matter if she makes it to Sochi or not. Side note: her choreographic sequence is amazing.
I think the only real "lock" for Sochi right now is Ashley. Gracie is the next closest thing, but who knows what's going on in her head. I wouldn't be surprised to see Courtney place top 2 at Nationals, actually.
Still three months until Nationals, but I think the top five are Wagner/Gold/Hicks/Nagasu/Gao (5th again!). With Cain and/or Cesario possibly nabbing 5th, too.
10-08-2013, 04:50 AM
I love Cain, but the rotation on her harder triples is a question mark.
I still think Wang has a shot at top 5 because great short programs tend to keep skaters there.
ETA: Cesario's short program may keep her down. She won't have enough difficulty to place high without 3r/3r but judges seldom ratify 3r/3r. She may have better luck getting level 4 everything
ETA: Edmunds may surprise
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10-08-2013, 06:06 AM
10-08-2013, 12:48 PM
- Rep Power
^Would love to see a team of Ashley, Gracie and Mirai.
Chipso, agree that Mirai was hosed at Finlandia. I don't know what the judges were looking at on her 1st 3flip in the SP. But, for all of Mirai's flaws, she's doing better right now than Zawadzki and Gao. Hicks may be too 'green' for the team in the eyes of the judges at Nationals. We'll see ...
10-08-2013, 06:58 PM
Cain is definitely NOT in hunt for a top 5 finish at Nationals. She has some nice qualities to her skating (her SS are amazing), but her lutz and flip technique is really awful and without much rep power, she won't be anywhere near the top 5. Top 10 would be much for reasonable for her (if that even).
Originally Posted by chipso1
10-09-2013, 12:36 AM
If she skates two clean programs, it's definitely possible. Her scores at Nebelhorn were quite good for flawed programs early in the season.
Originally Posted by smarts1
jlai, I think Edmunds could surprise as well, but it's hard to know how she'll handle the pressure of her first senior Nationals also being the Olympic trials. That, and the U.S. judges don't show her much love (her junior FS last season being a prime example. ).