View Poll Results: (corrected) who is the best male pro skater?- Pick 3

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  • Brian Boitano

    37 20.56%
  • Scott Hamilton

    23 12.78%
  • Paul Wylie

    13 7.22%
  • Brian Orser

    8 4.44%
  • Kurt Browning

    122 67.78%
  • Viktor Petrenko

    16 8.89%
  • Ilia Kulik

    25 13.89%
  • Alexei Yagudin

    27 15.00%
  • Jeff Buttle

    26 14.44%
  • Stephane Lambiel

    42 23.33%
  • Toller Cranston

    10 5.56%
  • Other (Specify)

    15 8.33%
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    Corrected thread- Best pro male skater

    I left out an important skater in the earlier poll, so I am recreating the poll. Please ignore the other poll and vote here. Thanks.

    Who is the best male pro skater? You may pick up to 3.

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    So many great ones - it's so hard to limit this poll to 3 - Kurt, Paul, Todd E., Ilia, both Brians!

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    I'm obviously very biased, so I won't say much. I'll just give the links.
    Since spring 2010 when he officially retired, in a bit more than three years Stéphane created and skated the following 18(!) programs (those with ** are exceptional and on the level of his competitive masterpieces, in my opinion; those with * are really-really good, some people would probably even choose part of them as their exceptional ones too; there were also some "one day" projects he created "on demand" for the specific show, like "Caruso" for Plushenko's anniversary or part of his programs for AOI):

    "Let The Good Times Roll" by Ray Charles *
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGgGGhncpiU

    "Bring Me To Life" by Katherine Jenkins *
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q84Y7-p-70o

    "Last Dance" by Donna Summer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MhcB6ckYLA

    "I'll Stand By You" by Kim Wilde
    No videos from the show

    "Trouble" by Dima Bilan *
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akiL4hHH16E

    "Don't Stop the Music" by Jamie Cullum **
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8xhmqyf9PA

    Prelude in G minor (Op. 23, No. 5) by Sergei Rachmaninov *
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT3r1rozN3A

    Violin Concerto in D major (Op. 35) by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky *
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-tuceoPsQc

    "La donna è mobile" (Rigoletto) by Giuseppe Verdi *
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPqzwx5d5FU

    "My Body Is A Cage" by Arcade Fire **
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXK9qvj2QNY (AOI version)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bovRf7fkSU

    "Something Got Me Started" by Simply Red
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqUg3jOPTGs

    "Puttin' on the Ritz" ("Summertime" by Nina Simone, "Alejandro" by Lady Gaga, "Puttin' on the Ritz" by Rufus Wainwright) **
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW_o6ImM9iM

    "Je veux vivre" (Roméo et Juliette) by Charles Gounod (with C. Kostner)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBFuSRqA5SU

    "Caruso" by Lucio Dalla
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmSWxTnSm4M

    "Paint It Black" by The Rolling Stones *
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJFz6wA8rJg

    "Run" by Leona Lewis *
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONWCGjYDz2Y

    "A Chorus Line" by Marvin Hamlisch **
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3Nc8ij9Oc

    "Hanabi" by Ai
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RItr67nBhC8

    Add to this choreographies he did for Ten, Machida, Takahashi, Ando.
    Add to this his two off ice projects: comical show "Le Revue" and "Rock Circus" which is running right now.

    I couldn't wish for him better pro career. To tell the truth I couldn't even imagine HOW fruitful and amazing it is going be. And he is still young and has some more years of skating ahead of him, I hope. The only thing I would like to wish him is health, and to continue like this for at least ten more years. In short, to be like Kurt (my first, unquestionable, choice in this poll).
    Last edited by reut; 07-14-2013 at 05:37 PM.

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    Browning will deservedly win this one by a landslide.

    Then, I also picked Boitano and Buttle..

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    Reut, what a great list! I would also add Otono Porteno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlp-J7EN0v0 and Ne Me Quitte Pas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfXCVb6Y_ds as a ** programs because he used them during his aborted pro career in 2009 .

    My picks are Browning and Lambiel.
    Last edited by shine; 07-14-2013 at 04:29 PM.

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    Boitano was the most successful but I think Browning was best. Had pro skating not started to go under after 98 he would have matched or exceeded Boitano's 6 World Pro titles IMHO, and I just enjoyed his skating alot more. Boitano was excellent technically but rarely did anything outside his norm as far as programs go.

    3rd best? Not really sure. Either Stephane Lambiel for all his amazing show skating even in an era with virtually no pro competition, or Robin Cousins. I guess it could be Hamilton but I never liked him or his skating.

    Actually Paul Wylie should have been my pick as 3rd best. Really came into his own as a pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shine View Post
    Reut, what a great list! I would also add Otono Porteno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlp-J7EN0v0 and Ne Me Quitte Pas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfXCVb6Y_ds as a ** programs because he used them during his aborted pro career in 2009 .
    Both these programs were skated later during the Olympic season, and "Otono" was initially created as his competitive program for season 2008/09. He used many of his older programs when he become pro in 2010, also both his competitive programs from his Olympic season ("Tell" and "La Traviata"), which are exquisite and absolute **. But I decided to mention only completely new programs, even only of those he had 18!
    Last edited by reut; 07-14-2013 at 05:20 PM.

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    My "other" is John Curry. He skated most of his professional performances with his own company and/or for TV rather than group shows, but he was extraordinary as a professional.

    Thanks to floskate, there are many of them posted to YouTube:
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e3wewU5xcXY

    plus:
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Rx13nrR6c
    Last edited by kwanfan1818; 07-14-2013 at 06:06 PM.
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    Boitano, Hamilton and Browning for me. As their career was long and successfull.
    But my favorite skaters are : Browning, Curry and Lambiel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reut View Post
    I'm obviously very biased, so I won't say much. I'll just give the links.
    Since spring 2010 when he officially retired, in a bit more than three years Stéphane created and skated the following 18(!) programs (those with ** are exceptional and on the level of his competitive masterpieces, in my opinion; those with * are really-really good, some people would probably even choose part of them as their exceptional ones too; there were also some "one day" projects he created "on demand" for the specific show, like "Caruso" for Plushenko's anniversary or part of his programs for AOI):
    Thanks a lot, reut. I will link other videos of some programs, if you don't mind. Don't understand me wrongly, I am not blaming you for linking the "wrong" videos, as you probably didn't have that much time to search for videos anyway. But I have the time now, and I think that there are performances and videos that show those programs better:

    "Bring Me To Life" by Katherine Jenkins
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpmTl1wARdU (I think this is his best performance of 'Bring Me To Life', and the video is certainly better than that 'Art on Ice' video where they show Jenkins half of the time)

    Prelude in G minor (Op. 23, No. 5) by Sergei Rachmaninov
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=XQnJnL_1PX4 (probably Stephane lacks energy a bit here, but the silence during the skate lets you appreciate his perfect feel for music in this program - the Moskvina show performance was good, but Stepahne was a bit off the music in the beginning which is so rare for him)

    "My Body Is A Cage" by Arcade Fire
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC9IZC3QIno (one of my favorite fan videos of this program (thanks to noty23snow))

    "Puttin' on the Ritz" ("Summertime" by Nina Simone, "Alejandro" by Lady Gaga, "Puttin' on the Ritz" by Rufus Wainwright)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwbFWXUclSo (not of good quality, but I just think Stephane was in better shape here than at 'All That Skate Summer' 2012 which was his first show after the health problems last summer)

    "Caruso" by Lucio Dalla
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KX8pQ3R8QI (this fan video is once again so much better than the TV one where it's difficult to see the idea of this program (thanks to MsInsaneDreamer))

    "Paint It Black" by The Rolling Stones
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Joe_snhAktg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImsmNX2rmY0
    (again, better than the official TV video which shows the energy of the program well, but not the choreo (thanks to dogfight0424 and noty23snow))

    "Run" by Leona Lewis
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECf1snDdx8s (my new favorite fan video of this program (thanks to Baby Jane) - better than the not so great quality TV video)

    "A Chorus Line" by Marvin Hamlisch
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhDq8n0dQao (the same as always - better than the TV video where the commentators talk all over the beginning, an then some, although the last part of the music still can't be heard because of the screaming Korean fans (thanks to dangdanghada))

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    My "other" is John Curry. He skated most of his professional performances with his own company and/or for TV rather than group shows, but he was extraordinary as a professional.

    Thanks to floskate, there are many of them posted to YouTube:
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e3wewU5xcXY

    plus:
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Rx13nrR6c
    Yes, Curry is my "Other" choice too after Browning and Lambiel. Robin Cousins is close, though. I must admit that I became a figure skating fan long after the professional competitions had ceased to exist. I have seen some of the performances, but I don't remember (or simply don't know) who won what. So, I can't be really objective, and can judge only from what I have seen. In any case, the skater's artistry is more important to me than medals and wins. What Curry and Robin Cousins have done in their professional programs is too amazing for them to not be included among the most successful professional skaters (I am not blaming you, Vash01 - I know that there are only twelve options available for polls). As for Lambiel, I may not be objective, but I feel that this counting of medals in professional competitions is a bit unfair towards the skaters who went into professionals after those competitions had ceased to exist, so I feel justified in voting for him. Jeffrey Buttle is quite close when it comes to the current professional skaters, though.

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    Browning, Hamilton, and Cranston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Boitano was excellent technically but rarely did anything outside his norm as far as programs go.
    Some of Boitano's pro programs were deadly boring, plus he repeated the same ones so often in competitions. I know other skaters did, but he did more so. It got to the point when I was thinking, "THAT one again? REALLY?" I was only a kid at the time lol.

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    The first two were easy for me. Brian Boitano and Kurt Browning. They were professional mens skating for many years. The last vote went to Kulik because he kept up his technical content so well as a professional.
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    Don't understand me wrongly, lauravvv, but "things you prefer" and "right" are far from being synonyms. I had time and chose those videos I wanted to post. The whole point was just to give a glimpse of what he did and to make people to look for more if they got interested. This thread is not about Stéphane, there is no reason to turn it into such. If you want, you can start another thread, dedicated to him only, where you will explain in details which videos and why you prefer.

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    John Curry.

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    My other is Robin Cousins.

    His technical program to Horizon by Vangelis at the 1986 World Prof is my favourite men's free skate ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reut View Post
    Don't understand me wrongly, lauravvv, but "things you prefer" and "right" are far from being synonyms. I had time and chose those videos I wanted to post. The whole point was just to give a glimpse of what he did and to make people to look for more if they got interested. This thread is not about Stéphane, there is no reason to turn it into such. If you want, you can start another thread, dedicated to him only, where you will explain in details which videos and why you prefer.
    So, you don't agree about fan videos versus TV videos, or videos where the focus is only on the skater (Stephane, in this case) versus videos where it is on the singer half the time ? Anyway, where did I say something about "right"? I put the word "wrong" in "" marks for a reason. I know that this thread is not about Stephane, but anyone is free to post videos of the skaters that are included in this poll - as did you. I wouldn't have posted any videos of Stephane, if you hadn't done that first. Plus, you are not a moderator of this forum. And our age difference is not that huge. So I don't think that you are in a position to lecture me on what I can, or can not post (here, or on some other thread).

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    I don't agree that your choices are "righter" than mine, yes. There are many reasons why I chose videos that I chose. I might discuss them in that separate thread if you open it. I might not. And it has nothing to do with the age difference. And with this thread.

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    Alexei Yagudin

    'Feelings' 2003 Courchevel Gala
    http://youtu.be/KHV7aRiilaI
    'Moon Over the Bourbon Street' 2004 World Team Challenge
    http://youtu.be/bJZTiji8DPw
    'Passion' 2005 Stars on Ice
    http://youtu.be/Gvxx80AE8bE
    'Legend' 2006 Ice Wars
    http://youtu.be/d2vUZCW6hHA
    'Je t'aime' 2009 Ice Age with Valeriya Lanskaya
    http://youtu.be/cz3DBC8WmlQ
    2010 City Lights
    http://youtu.be/l1qjJUvu_pg

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