Anyway the Vancouver field was about 10 times deeper than the Nagano field which had 2 great skaters and a bunch of nothing after that. Kwan and Lipinski could have fallen 4 times and still won gold and silve.r People today call Vancouver the best ladies Olympic event, maybe the best Olympic ladies skating event in history, and Kim won it by a whopping margin. There is no way to even attempt to belittle that.
Skating wise I find all Kwan has over Kim is more perfect positions, better feet and turnout, and slightly better spirals. Anything else Kim can match or best her in. She is every bit as musical, she skates with as much soul and passion, she is as elegant and graceful in the way she moves around while arguably being more fluid, her choreography is just as strong as younger Kwan and much stronger than older Kwan, her footwork is just as strong, her field moves too, and her basics and edge quality or as strong or stronger (probably stronger seeing how much more easily she can build up huge speed and change directions doing complex choreography while not even pushing for it).
As for nothing other than the OGM is 3 Grand Prix final titles vs only 1 nothing? Kim's greater dominance of the general seasons over the years is nothing. Kim skating in and winning Four Continents once while Kwan never bothered to compete in or win it is nothing. If so then you obviously believe nothing at all matters besides Olympics and Worlds which would negate any value of Kwan's U.S titles or anything else too, and in which case Kwan has nothing over Kim besides more World titles, just as Kim has nothing besides the OGM.
Kim's triple lutz-triple toe and triple flip-triple toe combinations, which she doesnt include both at once only since the many ways stupid rules dont reward, are both signature moves for her. She didnt invent those, just like Kwan did not invent either of the moves you pointed out, but nobody in skating history ever did those incredibly difficult combinations as often or as easily or as well as her, not even Ito or Harding. For years she did those with huge speed, huge flow out, ease, and practically never missing one, and included one in every program.She had many signature moves (e.g. COE spiral, falling leafs). Right now I can't think of one for Kim, although she is a beautiful skater and artist too.
If inventing moves or having signature moves makes you better skater or legend than Karen Magnussen must be the best skater ever. She has 5 or 6 original moves she invented, yet she is overshadowed in her own era by Lynn and Seyfert as a freeskater. Sasha Cohen and Shizuka probably has created more original moves than either Kwan or Kim too.
The poll isnt lopsided. Kwan has over 40% of votes. People see them as very close. What is the problem.and we wouldn't be seeing a lopsided win for Kim in this poll.
Kim after next year will probably have 2 Olympic Golds so no motivation to skate 10 or 12 years after her first medals, but if she did she would do just fine.
I think Kim is much more dominant in her era compared to Kwans era. Depending on how this season pans out she will be a much more dominant skater than Kwan.
Not to belittle Kwan at all though, because she had to beat some incredible skaters and performances over the years such as Chen in 96, Slutskaya in 00-01, Butyrskaya and Cohen. She also skated clean in many many high level competitions, which takes incredible skill all on its own.
Well Kwan has 5 World titles to only 2 for Kim so I wouldnt say Kim is much more dominant. I think overall they are about equal dominance, not one way more than the other like the biased fans of both try either way to argue this thread. They each have things over the other in that aspect. I think a clean Kim is far more unbeatable for her rivals than a clean Kwan, but Kwan is more consistent than Kim. She does skate cleanly more often, which is why Kim has lost Worlds too many times for what she should have.
I think Kwan has like 15 clean competitions and Kim only 4 or 5. That is one big edge for Kwan and why she has many more World titles despite that her clean skating is much more beatable than Kim's would be.
Yu-Na has like no competition though. Mao and Carolina fall every time they compete. She is dominant because she completes her elements and her rivals always screw up. And when she is not "on", people like Miki Ando can win two world championships. This is the argument that is said about Michelle all the time, but it is also true for Yu-Na.
Well much of her career Kwan also had no competition. Lipinski in 97-98 although it was mostly Kwan's bad slump that even made Tara relevant to that level in 97, and Slutskaya in 2000-2002 and that is it. Who else was a threat to her. Asada atleast seemed some threat to Kim her whole career, and Ando and Kostner were for various or extended periods of time, and all those are better skaters than anyone Kwan faced besides Lipinski or Slutskaya.
Was that Kwan and Kim being so great or their competition being that lacking. It is hard to say. It seems in general the ladies are more dominant and have less competition than the men do.
I think it is a combination of both. They were/are both able to deliver programs when it counts (which I think in Kwan's case is very underrated) and their competition most of the time could not. Having the ability to "go for it" is a huge part of being a champion.
If Kim had skated pre Kwan then Kwan would have been "better" as Kim would have been her idol to look up to and to surpass. Since its the other way around, Kim has surpassed Kwan technically but Kwan has had much longer skating career considering the number of years during which she medalled. Plus Kwan's numerous artistic and expressive skates far outnumber Kim's current number of same. One Oly gold doesn't negate Kwan's reign as ice queen during her years of skating. That said, Kim is the new ice queen.
It's likely people voted per era they watched top level figure skating.
Alot of the passion and heart talk is subjective to what an individual feels. Kwan probably moves alot of people but I mostly found her plastered smile look kind of forced and I didnt really enjoy it and I wasnt moved. I find Kim skates with more genuine passion and heart, and it doesnt feel forced or put on. Like her Les Miserables program at Worlds this year, she immediately feels the music and program from the opening note but it feels genuine while Kwan with the plastered smile and the smirals kind of felt fake to me. To each their own.