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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Did anyone else feel dubious when she talked about being the bedroom scene Juliet who is in love for the first time? That seems like a stretch for Ashley. I don't care for her histrionics on ice......Maybe she will surprise me.
    Yeah, kind of how I feel too...

    Skaters trying to pull something off that they can't do <<<

    Still, I'll reserve judgment until I actually see it. Prefer Wagner when she emphasizes speed and power though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Prefer Wagner when she emphasizes speed and power though.
    Exactly.

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    This was great. IMO there's something really likeable and genuine about her. Definitely rooting for her this year.

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    Ashley, the next time you feel inclined to use the word "pansy" you might hesitate and remember that many of your fans are gay.

    I think she is "miscast" as Juliet, but I hope she is able to pull it off. If she doesn't have a 3/3 by now, I doubt she is going to have one, at least a consistent one. The Olympic year doesn't seem to be the best time for getting a new jump. Uneasy feeling this is not going to be a good year for her, but hope I am wrong. Re Shirley Hughes, I think if Ashley had stayed with Hughes, she would be about where she is now and probably have a 3/3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    Ashley, the next time you feel inclined to use the word "pansy" you might hesitate and remember that many of your fans are gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    Ashley, the next time you feel inclined to use the word "pansy" you might hesitate and remember that many of your fans are gay.
    Is pansy a slur?

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    Yes, a rather old one.

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    A pansy to me means a wimp so i don't see how it's a slur. People get so uptight over every little thing said nowadays.
    Last edited by Jammers; 07-30-2013 at 06:19 PM.

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    "Pansy" is an older term for "fag" or "faggot" and in its time had the same force.
    "The team doesn't get automatic capacity because management is mad" -- Greg Smith, agile guy

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    Jammers: while I agree with you in theory that folks should lighten up, Websters actually lists the secondary definition as:
    usually disparaging
    : a weak or effeminate man or boy; usually disparaging: a male homosexual
    I can understand why some might object, but Ashley probably has no idea of this secondary definition as it is somewhat antiquated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmcC102 View Post


    Interesting. Please, do tell us more about the A.Wagner/S.Hughes split...
    IIRC and I could be wrong, but apparently she caught wind that Ashley was secretly shopping for a new coach and instead of waiting to be replaced she just ended it herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawnie View Post
    IIRC and I could be wrong, but apparently she caught wind that Ashley was secretly shopping for a new coach and instead of waiting to be replaced she just ended it herself.
    That is semi-correct. Suffice it to say that working with another coach for a weekend is fine, as long as you let your primary coach know you are going to do it. Don't have that second coach call the first one for information on the "plan" when your are sneaking around. Truthfully, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. When Ashley mentioned in the TSL interview that her mother is a "Bear" that is really describing her mother in the nicest of possible terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    Ashley, the next time you feel inclined to use the word "pansy" you might hesitate and remember that many of your fans are gay.
    Can you remember offhand when in the interview she used it?
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    It was when they were talking about her not doing the triple triple at worlds, which I think was near the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    It was when they were talking about her not doing the triple triple at worlds, which I think was near the beginning.
    Thank you! ETA: "I was going for [the triple-triple] and, then, I, um...was a pansy."

    Quote Originally Posted by toddlj View Post
    I can understand why some might object, but Ashley probably has no idea of this secondary definition as it is somewhat antiquated.
    I suspect you're right to suppose that she doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falling_dance View Post
    Thank you! ETA: "I was going for [the triple-triple] and, then, I, um...was a pansy."



    I suspect you're right to suppose that she doesn't.
    I agree. She's not even using the word "pansy" in the context of it being a gay slur or being malicious. I'm gay and thought nothing of her comment when I played the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    "Pansy" is an older term for "fag" or "faggot" and in its time had the same force.
    I've never heard of this being true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falling_dance View Post
    Thank you! ETA: "I was going for [the triple-triple] and, then, I, um...was a pansy."
    I suspect you're right to suppose that she doesn't.
    This. I thought it was like when Michelle once said something like, "I needed to be a tough cookie, but I was a mushy cookie".

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    I guess I would interpret being called a pansy as a "delicate little flower".
    (Certainly seems less offensive than her saying she 'didn't have the balls' to do the jump.. As that implies being girly is bad and manly is good; but flowers are delicate and have no gender)

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    I took note of her saying it, simply because I never hear anyone our age using it

    i can't say it offended me.

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