View Poll Results: Who should have won 96 Worlds- Kwan or Chen

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    Chen vs Kwan- 96 Worlds

    I watched the ABC telecast of this event and Dick Button seemed in agreement with the result. I went back on some old skating magazines of mine though a few weeks ago and seemed to not agree with the result. Who should have won this event, Kwan or Chen. I thought the skates were about equal so Chen since she was defending champion should have won. Usually the reigning Champ would get the benefit in that situation.

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    I thought Chen should have won that just on the merits.
    DH - and that's just my opinion

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    I think I would have given Chen 5.8 or 5.9 for technical and 6.0 for presentation. Kwan 5.9 for both.

    Butyrskaya also probably should have won the bronze over Slutskaya at that event. Szewcenko and Kwiatkowski should have finished higher than Slutskaya too.

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    After watching both performances again a couple of years ago, I remember thinking Chen should have won, although both she and Kwan were good. I don't think I've ever seen Slutskaya's performances from that year.

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    This was a really tough one. I think Kwan's momentum from her great season certainly helped her. Not that her winning was robbing anyone, she skated a great 7 triple program. The problem for Chen, IMO, was that her and Kwan's weak areas kind of matched up. Neither were good spinners but Kwan was better. Neither had tons of speed but Kwan was slightly better. In other words, I didn't feel there was an area where Kwan was the weaker of the two, at least not in general terms. The spins probably cost Chen a judge or two.
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    Plus let's face it Michelle was being billed as the next great skater so even though Chen was the defending champ it was expected that it was only a matter of time before Michelle became a World champion.

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    Chens spin layout at these worlds was very strange too. It seemed in her other programs she had more complete set of spins, whereas in Rach her combo spin didn't seem to have enough revolutions. Kwan had that extra triple as well.
    Again it was close between them. Chen just had a more beautiful quality, while Kwans artistry was very good, but kind of forced compared to Chen. I think too much emphasis is given to Chens up and down season. I really don't think the judges cared one way or another who did what in the Gps when 2 skaters skate flawless SP and LP's like they did. It comes down to preference, and some of the judges liked that Kwan went for that last triple toe.

    As far as speed is concerned Chen had better speed and flow at that point IMO.

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    Both were great but the only thing I thought Kwan was better on that night was spins and spirals. I would have gone with Chen.

    Kwan won the event before Worlds with her dominance all season, and Chen lost it with her inconsistency all season long which damaged her reputation and World Champion stature.

    I definitely dont think Kwan was faster at that point.

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    I watched again and you are right, Kwan probably wasn't faster. However, Kwan had a lot more in her program it seems. Many more connecting moves and transitions although we know that in the time it really didn't affect the score. I think in the end the extra triple sealed the deal for Michelle. That was huge back then. The artistic mark was pure personal preference as to which kind of program you liked best.
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    Well, I'm very opinionated about this one (but I also think I'm objective ). Clearly Lu should have won, and I think Michelle did as a reward for her amazing season. In the LP, Michelle did have better spins and more jumps, but she wasn't at her artistic peak in 1996. No way should she receive matching/higher presentation marks than a clean Lu. And technically, Michelle's jumps were still small and she flutzed. All 6 of Lu's jumps were textbook.

    From another standpoint, the judges should have been more respectful that Lu was the defending champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    After watching both performances again a couple of years ago, I remember thinking Chen should have won, although both she and Kwan were good. I don't think I've ever seen Slutskaya's performances from that year.
    Slutskayas performance was a mess IMO, although I do think she had a very good SP that year. I really think the momentum she had over the season helped her edge Buyrskaya for that medal. I agree too Szewcenko and Kwiatkowski were undermarked in the LP but I don't think either deserved to be on the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lnt175 View Post
    Slutskayas performance was a mess IMO, although I do think she had a very good SP that year. I really think the momentum she had over the season helped her edge Buyrskaya for that medal.
    Kwan and Slutskaya both had very strong seasons that year leading into Worlds, and that was definitely a huge plus for both in the judges eyes. I do think if Maria had landed her last triple loop she probably would have gotten the bronze though, despite that with that mistake she came nowhere close in the marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duane View Post
    Well, I'm very opinionated about this one (but I also think I'm objective ). Clearly Lu should have won, and I think Michelle did as a reward for her amazing season. In the LP, Michelle did have better spins and more jumps, but she wasn't at her artistic peak in 1996. No way should she receive matching/higher presentation marks than a clean Lu. And technically, Michelle's jumps were still small and she flutzed. All 6 of Lu's jumps were textbook.

    From another standpoint, the judges should have been more respectful that Lu was the defending champion.
    Thats a good point about Kwans technical. Her jumps weren't high quality here as they would be ina few seasons. It was evident after the SP the judges were more on Kwans side when both went clean.

    I will say her double axel was beautiful though.

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    Kwan's SP was clearly better though. Slutskaya nearly was 2nd in the SP over Chen. Chen was never a top SP skater so I wouldnt read too much into that. She never won a short program in her career, and was only top 3 in the short program at 3 of the 6 World or Olympic events she medalled in.

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    Both Kwan and Chen deserved 6.0s for different reasons. Kwan for the intracacy of the program and Chen for mastery in execution.

    I can understand why Kwan edged Chen out on technical merit. For jumps, Kwan won on quantity and Chen on quality. For spins and other elements though, Kwan won on both and probably made the difference.
    Last edited by Marco; 07-19-2013 at 09:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lnt175 View Post
    Slutskayas performance was a mess IMO, although I do think she had a very good SP that year. I really think the momentum she had over the season helped her edge Buyrskaya for that medal. I agree too Szewcenko and Kwiatkowski were undermarked in the LP but I don't think either deserved to be on the podium.
    Slute's Euro title helped her secure the bronze over Bute both in terms of reputation and Federation support / politiks.

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    I think Kwan's music could have been a factor in the way the performances were perceived. Her music built to an exciting climax at the end of the program which left people with an edge-of-their seat feeling (especially combined with the triple toe thrown in instead of the planned double axel). Chen's music faded away and while her program was beautifully choreographed, it just lacked the oomph of Kwan's program (the tension/excitement was probably enhanced by the fact that Kwan delivered under the pressure of skating after her main rival who received two 6.0s and seemed like a shoe-in for gold at that point).

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    LOL, why is Slutskaya even an option at this championship? She was far below both Michelle and Lulu.

    I don't agree with the claim by some that Lu Chen should have won this event. Kwan had better spins, spirals, and an extra triple advantage over Lu Chen. Granted, Kwan was not the best spinner in the world, but her spins put Chen's to shame. Didn't Lu Chen even botch her layback spin in the SP of this event; I seem to recall it traveling all over the place enough for Dick Button to comment on it, as well as her very lackluster leg position on it. It was a very weak spin for her. Plus, she had basically tanked the entire season leading up to Worlds due to all the pressures from her federation, losing Skate America to Kwan, losing the Trophee Lalique to Josee Chouinard after Lulu plummeted to 7th place in the SP. She also fell to 4th at the Champion Series Final, losing to all of Kwan, Slutskaya, and Chouinard. By the time Worlds rolled around, she had lost any momentum she may have had being the defending champion considering she had not defeated Kwan all season long.
    Last edited by museksk8r; 07-19-2013 at 12:30 PM.

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    Nothing to see here; double post.
    Last edited by museksk8r; 07-19-2013 at 12:19 PM.

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    Michelle Kwan for me.
    In 1996, Lu Chen's performance really impressed me and I thought she should have won. But IMO, MK's program was more complete technically, and now, I think she deserve the title. Of course, I would have been happy with a title for Lu Chen.

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