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    Thanks. I don't think that Amy Evidente is as expensive as Frank Carroll, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    Thanks. I don't think that Amy Evidente is as expensive as Frank Carroll, right?
    It's doubtful. Amy doesn't have nearly the same prestige or success as Frank.

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    This is still a rumor but I heard Mura's father, also his coach, offered Mirai to train at their home rink in Okayama, Japan, during the interval weeks between NHK and CoR. It sounded like he offered a help for her. I heard she trained with Mura under Mura's coach there. I've been wondering why he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leapfrogonice View Post
    She was quite the gracious trooper, the way she handled the computer glitch driven delay to the start of her Free skate at NHK.

    Was sad for her that she did not then have as strong a skate, but she earned my admiration for having such equanimity and poise about the whole difficult and uncertain situation.
    She is no Kwan in 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    This is still a rumor but I heard Mura's father, also his coach, offered Mirai to train at their home rink in Okayama, Japan, during the interval weeks between NHK and CoR. It sounded like he offered a help for her. I heard she trained with Mura under Mura's coach there. I've been wondering why he did.
    Isn't that photo posted after NHK with Mura and his father?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett View Post
    Isn't that photo posted after NHK with Mura and his father?
    Yes. Mirai said her dream came true. It was just a bit surprising so I wondered if it was the only reason. But who knows. Maybe sometime later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    She is no Kwan in 2004.
    You had to slip Kwan in didn't you?

    If Mirai realized a dream of training in Japan with Mura it only makes me wish that some benevolent soul would step in and underwrite Mirai's training there 'til Nationals - and maybe beyond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mag View Post

    ETA: in my experience it is not the ice cost that is expensive, it is the coaching time. I am sure Mirai is able to train a session without a lesson so the incremental cost of adding a couple of hours a week wouldn't be too much. Now, she may also be very focused during her practice and use the time she has to the maximum. Sometimes more time just ends up being more time spend circling the rink.
    Where is she skating? Ice palace lists $12 for 45 minutes for freestyle. Sure, coaching is a lot more

    than that, but that will really add up. (Adding 1 more session 5 days a week adds $3000 to the year! That only gets her to 17 hrs a week not yet 20.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Nagasu is in the Team B envelope this season, like she was in 2012-13, due to having won a Grand Prix medal (2012 NHK bronze) last season.
    Sorry about that mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    Where is she skating? Ice palace lists $12 for 45 minutes for freestyle. Sure, coaching is a lot more

    than that, but that will really add up. (Adding 1 more session 5 days a week adds $3000 to the year! That only gets her to 17 hrs a week not yet 20.)
    Wow! $12 for $45 minutes seems high. Is that a drop in rate? Surely if a skater is buying the session for the whole season they pay a lot less than that. I was thinking about what we pay, but then most of our rinks are in recreation centers that are owned by the City, not privately owned and run facilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mag View Post
    Wow! $12 for $45 minutes seems high. Is that a drop in rate? Surely if a skater is buying the session for the whole season they pay a lot less than that. I was thinking about what we pay, but then most of our rinks are in recreation centers that are owned by the City, not privately owned and run facilities.
    Yes, you are right- it is the drop in rate, I looked very quickly, didn't mean to be misleading- the contract rate is $10 per 45 minute session.
    http://www.avicepalace.com/Freestyle.html

    Youtube tells me that Mirai skates at Pickwick rink.
    http://www.pickwickgardens.com/sqs/d...dex=4&tabid=44
    There freestyle sessions are walk-on $13 for freestyle, with punchcards available that bring the rate down to $10 (or possibly $8.50 but that said not available).

    Neither of the rinks appear to have season passes. The five rinks I've skated at have never offered that, I don't know if it is common in the U.S.
    A high ranking skater like Mirai may be able to get a better deal on ice, but not always. Many skaters will teach LTS in trade for free or reduced ice time for instance. Or a skater may allow the rink to use their name to advertise in exchange for a discount, much like a sponsorship, but this is not always available, especially at rinks with many elite skaters.

    The point is just that adding even 1 session a day really adds up. To get the hours others are saying they skate, she'd need to add more than that. It is my understanding Mirai's finances have always been tight, however, that may or may not be the reason she has less on-ice time.

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    Yes, I shouldn't have assumed. I guess we are very lucky up here. The other thing about ice time is it does depend how it is used. I've watched some elite skaters on their third session of the day, and there is not a lot of work going on. Mirai may find her current schedule gives her the balance she needs. Everyone is different. Hopefully finances are not holding her back, but she seems like a fairly private person so I don't suppose we will ever know.
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    According to Dave Lease, Mirai has split w/ Amy and is training in Japan for a few weeks before Nationals. If true, how interesting...

    Scroll to the bottom: http://www.theskatinglesson.com/stat...d-golden-spin/

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    ^^^ Here's the relevant excerpt:
    On the North American front, things have become more interesting as the ladies clamor for the third spot. Initially thought to be out of it, Mirai Nagasu is making a late push to make the team. Mirai’s improvement between Grand Prix assignments was stunning. She was simply a different skater in a matter of two weeks. Though Mirai was accompanied to Russia by Amy Evidente, the coach and pupil had differences on the trip and have since parted ways. Christa Fassi has worked with Mirai since the summer and will likely accompany her to the National Championships. In the mean time, Mirai will spend the next few weeks training in Japan with the coach she worked with between Grand Prix events. By all accounts, Mirai has appeared happier, more confident and in better physical condition in recent works. Her jumps are coming back along with her belief in herself. It may not be over just yet.
    Refer also to rosewood's post #343 above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
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    Sigh. I've tried this too but I still find myself hoping. Ashley apart, all the other US ladies have looked beatable this year, and there are 3 slots, so...

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    Considering how improved Mirai looked in Russia, maybe she should consider training in Japan? Would they allow that or is that frowned upon? I don't know if Mirai still has family in Japan but if so it might help with expenses and whatnot. If she can get in a few skating shows this summer in Asia that might help bring in some extra money.

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    Wow, everyone said there was something going on between her and her coach. Why oh why didn't she leave sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
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    Right?!

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    IIRC Mirai's grand parents live in Sendai area where people were affected by the Great Earthquakes. Okayama, where Mura and his coach(Mura's father) live, is waaay far from Sendai. I think the reason why Mirai trains there is Mura's family has known her personally for years. Mura moved to Okayama after finishing last season. He belongs to the company managing the rink since this spring. Also supposedly Mura will work as a coach there after retiring from competitions. IIRC no elite level female skater is under Mura's coach in this season. It's still a rumor but Mirai trained during the interval weeks between the two grand prix events in the evening public sessions and also the closed sessions for competitive skaters after the public sessions. I wonder if it's still an occasional situation till the end of this season.

    Okayama International Skating Rink:
    http://www.ok-skate.com/
    fee:
    http://www.ok-skate.com/price
    Last edited by rosewood; 12-09-2013 at 01:37 AM.

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