View Poll Results: (corrected) who is the best male pro skater?- Pick 3

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  • Brian Boitano

    37 20.56%
  • Scott Hamilton

    23 12.78%
  • Paul Wylie

    13 7.22%
  • Brian Orser

    8 4.44%
  • Kurt Browning

    122 67.78%
  • Viktor Petrenko

    16 8.89%
  • Ilia Kulik

    25 13.89%
  • Alexei Yagudin

    27 15.00%
  • Jeff Buttle

    26 14.44%
  • Stephane Lambiel

    42 23.33%
  • Toller Cranston

    10 5.56%
  • Other (Specify)

    15 8.33%
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    Quote Originally Posted by shine View Post
    I really liked Yags when he was competing and was happy that he won in 2002. Totally loved his 2001 SP.
    I am surprised you liked that full of stumping-toe-work footwook sp. Yeah I understand that claiming you like someone first before your trashing makes you look more objective. You are smarter now. But sorry, his strength is not just power and passion. I don't see lots of skaters have masculine look but also soft and fluid at the same time, plus musicality and emotions. And I rather watch his simple crossovers(deep soft knees, nice core) and his spread eagle, spiral, hydroblade (long edges and flowing) than lots of level 4 SS today. BTW, I don't like Lambiel and Buttle's crossovers. If only talk about skating, I prefer Takahashi's much more than Lambiel's, better knee bending, deeper edges. The gliding effect of Takahashi's footwork makes him less busier than Lambiel. Same thing applies to Yagudin and Plushenko.

    Quote Originally Posted by shine View Post
    But I've come to expect more from pro/show skating and want to see a higher level of originality, style, musicality, sophisticated/well constructed/clever choreography. He had eligible programs that played to his strength (power and passion),
    You seem really expected high from him. I see that as sort of respect, thanks for that but you seem have no idea how severe his injury is. Listen to those real professionals, it may give you a better idea that his injury affects not only just his jumps.
    Yagudin 2002 Sears Open 'Racing'
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqcsgm2VLB8
    If he can do higher level programs, he wouldn't have retired that early, and I bet you, all three medal winners of 2006 oly might be different. Still even though skater X skated on half of his own hip, he managed to get higher pcs in each category and higher goe on almost all elements than skater Y at last year's MWO. If he's healthier, I am sure the mark would have been doubled.
    And along with Navka, he's the main attraction to audiences in shows according to Averbukh. If someone has more talent, he always has more chances in life. He extended his career in Russia because he's capable of skating in pairs with non-professionals. He had to learn lots of ice dance moves in those shows, for me, that's kind of versatile too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unicorn View Post
    Still even though skater X skated on half of his own hip, he managed to get higher pcs in each category and higher goe on almost all elements than skater Y at last year's MWO. If he's healthier, I am sure the mark would have been doubled.
    And who is the skater Y now? Kulik? Surely you don't mean Browning - he really got some lower GOE than Yagudin, but all of his PCS were higher. Kulik is the only other skater from this poll who took part in Medal Winners Open, and both his PCS and GOE were lower than Yagudin's, although his technical score was still higher (no wonder, as he doesn't have a chronic hip injury, and apparently is training jumps more). Still, I don't remember shine or anyone else mentioning Kulik a lot on this thread - especially not in comparison to Yagudin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    And who is the skater Y now? Kulik? Surely you don't mean Browning - he really got some lower GOE than Yagudin, but all of his PCS were higher. Kulik is the only other skater from this poll who took part in Medal Winners Open, and both his PCS and GOE were lower than Yagudin's, although his technical score was still higher (no wonder, as he doesn't have a chronic hip injury, and apparently is training jumps more). Still, I don't remember shine or anyone else mentioning Kulik a lot on this thread - especially not in comparison to Yagudin.
    Nobody else except shine, so I thought there's no need to bring about other skaters. You are really smart, aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unicorn View Post
    Nobody else except shine, so I thought there's no need to bring about other skaters. You are really smart, aren't you?
    Oh, I found the post - hadn't seen it before. So, what difference does it make that, unlike you, I mentioned his name? Other people could read shine's post too, and/or look for Medal Winners Open results even if they didn't know those results before. Such mentions of skater (in this case) "Y", "X", or whatever, always pique people's curiosity, and I think you know that full well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    Such mentions of skater (in this case) "Y", "X", or whatever, always pique people's curiosity, and I think you know that full well.
    And yeah, you think you can speak for other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unicorn View Post
    And yeah, you think you can speak for other people.
    Not for all other people, of course - I never assume that. But I can't be so unique, can I? If that got me thinking of who the skater "Y" might be, it would have piqued someone else's interest too. In any case, I don't think that mentioning Kulik's name changes anything - people who think highly of him won't start thinking less of him just because he had lower PCS and GOE than Yagudin at one particular event. It doesn't work that way. People who think that Kulik is a better skater than Yagudin would rather say that judges were wrong, or that Kulik was not at his best at that event than agree that Yagudin is a generally better skater because he got higher PCS and GOE at Medal Winners Open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    Not for all other people, of course - I never assume that. But I can't be so unique, can I? If that got me thinking of who the skater "Y" might be, it would have piqued someone else's interest too. In any case, I don't think that mentioning Kulik's name changes anything - people who think highly of him won't start thinking less of him just because he had lower PCS and GOE than Yagudin at one particular event. It doesn't work that way. People who think that Kulik is a better skater than Yagudin would rather say that judges were wrong, or that Kulik was not at his best at that event than agree that Yagudin is a generally better skater because he got higher PCS and GOE at Medal Winners Open.
    No, you are absolutely unique in the universe.

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    People who think that Kulik is a better skater than Yagudin would rather say that judges were wrong, or that Kulik was not at his best at that event than agree that Yagudin is a generally better skater because he got higher PCS and GOE at Medal Winners Open.
    Kulik was not at his best at MWO but Yagudin with a metal implant in his hip probably was.

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    Since he's leading the poll there's not much for me to say here, but I felt like watching and thus posting a bunch of Kurt videos, just for the heck of it. Seems to fit here since he *is* leading the poll and his spans 20 years of his pro career:

    1994 Canadian Stars on Ice - All Alone
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWWb7O1zhcQ

    Video intro for this doesn't match the program at all - he's talking about "Lightning Crashes" by Live and he's skating to "Masks and Morning Dance" by Prokofiev. Not actually one of my favorites of his, but it is a style not usually thought of when you think of Kurt. (self-choreographed) 1995 Canadian Pros.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbE46YxZG6c

    1995 Canadian Stars on Ice - Hey Pachuco
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4BNBrvK3LY

    1996 Canadian Pros - Serenade to Sonia
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAngxNlAQAY

    1996 World Pros - Summertime
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89UXQkTZbQk

    1997 Battle of the Sexes - Lightning Crashes (and this actually is Lightning Crashes)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebd8USJekFU

    1999 Canadian Stars on Ice - Ain't No Sunshine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW4T0uGd39E

    2000 Canadian Open - Bedlam Ballroom (I love this)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVXKK6wdiQg

    2000 Canadian Stars on Ice - Crash
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVdJe3vBxiE

    2005 Ice Wars - Peace Frog
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6eVo9hkl_M

    2006 Gotta Skate - Triptico
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPD2I5vD9F4

    2006 Halloween on Ice - In the Hall of the Mountain King
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkBimbXWBSQ

    2009 Kristi Yamaguchi and Friends - I'm Yours
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMEaiMcsQU

    2010 Canadian Stars on Ice - Luck Be a Lady (hockey skates!)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djPepQvJEeQ

    2010 Holiday Festival on Ice - Steppin' Out of My Mind
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq8xtbo2Wiw

    2011 Stars on Ice - Downstream
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ear0K2kRP_U

    2012 Unforgettable Moments of Love on Ice - Feeling Good
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyUCqUbkvpA

    2013 All That Skate - Singing in the Rain (same suit he wore 20 years ago in his 1994 special!)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kynzQYtFhrU

    That's probably enough links. Kurt's done well over 100 programs in his career, obviously not all of them are on YouTube (and even I'm not crazy enough to try to find them all anyway). I didn't bother with stuff like Antares, Brickhouse, Nyah, Rag-GIDON-Time, etc - I figure people know those well. Hope someone else besides me enjoys some of these videos!

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