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    What qualities makes a good 6.0 skater vs a good COP skater?

    We've talked about how various skaters/competitions would of fared under 6.0 vs COP and vice versa, but what qualities made a good 6.0 skater and what qualities are better suited for COP?

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    Seems to me like skaters with weaker spins would be the most disadvantaged under COP, but at the same time, we'll never know what would have happened had they grown up and trained as children under this system. Lots of the top skaters who aren't very flexible have managed high level spins with fugly positions D:

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    In the final years of 6.0 the top ladies were shiz, Cohen, Kwan, irina, Caro, cupcake, etc..

    And after cop the top ladies were shiz, Cohen, Kwan, irina, Caro, cupcake, etc..

    So...

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    I think any skater who was on top during either system could adapt to the other, provided they're not too old when the change happens.

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    I think the 6.0 system rewarded well-rounded skaters who were technically strong, but also had good artistry. Under COP, a skater who can rack up tons of points with jumps and level 4 spins can usually win as their PCS just naturally seems to follow (even if their choreo, interpretation, etc.) is lacking.

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    Leaving aside ice dance:

    6.0: ability to land clean-looking jumps and combinations, can do harder jump combinations, strong performers with good showmanship/artistry, consistently clean-ish skaters. Signature moves and fun zippy steps are a plus.

    IJS: correct jump technique, strong basics transitions and step sequences, well-conditioned athletes (all those second half jumps...) who can think on their feet and make changes if the original layout is not working.

    I don't think either system uniquely benefits strong spinners. High spin levels don't necessarily reward good spins (fast, centered, good position and postures) so much as difficult variations.

    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    In the final years of 6.0 the top ladies were shiz, Cohen, Kwan, irina, Caro, cupcake, etc..

    And after cop the top ladies were shiz, Cohen, Kwan, irina, Caro, cupcake, etc..

    So...
    It took a few years for everyone to figure out the system and for the panels to start cracking down on technique issues - the turning point was probably the 2007-8 season. Some skaters did not adapt well to more advanced IJS.

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    It seems for ladies flexability and contorted positions is a requirement of COP. Along too with very difficult jump combinations and alot of them, even those sloppily performed (eg- Sotnikova and Slutskaya). The reason the great Kwan would not have been an effective COP skater and would have been lucky to win even 1 worlds had her career been under COP, which says more about the ridiculous COP system than it does about her.

    For dance acrobatics is more important than actual dance, hence the sucess of Davis & White when under 6.0 a team like Virtue & Moir wouldnt even be challenged by them.

    For men it is mostly about either skating totally clean with a COP average program or trying lots of quads, having great skating skills, even if you fall a ton. Hence the confusing to fans success of Lysacek and Chan.

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    Double-footing was rather severely punished under 6.0, much less so under COP.
    Being clean in the short program was more important under 6.0; COP is a lot more forgiving of a mistake in the short.
    Points vs. Placements has a huge effect. Under 6.0, you could not build up an insurmountable lead in the SP. OTOH, under 6.0, if you were in 4th after and skated fantastically in the LP, you could still not win unless there were some changes above you.

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    Under 6.0, it was better to be a well-rounded skater, with pleasant presentation. The general impression was really important. Not so much under COP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    In the final years of 6.0 the top ladies were shiz, Cohen, Kwan, irina, Caro, cupcake, etc..

    And after cop the top ladies were shiz, Cohen, Kwan, irina, Caro, cupcake, etc..

    So...
    Basically.

    CoP changed the dynamics of rankings (i.e. your chances of moving up depend less on skate order or placement, and more on margins between the ranks), but let's be honest, the top skaters are still the ones with the complete package. For all this talk that skating is now about 'racking points' (and it often is), the skaters who have the best skills tend to win under both systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    In the final years of 6.0 the top ladies were shiz, Cohen, Kwan, irina, Caro, cupcake, etc..

    And after cop the top ladies were shiz, Cohen, Kwan, irina, Caro, cupcake, etc..

    So...
    Cupcake was never a real contender under COP, only under 6.0. Caro didnt become a real contender until COP either (although in her case that was probably mostly an age and maturation thing). Shizuka also wasnt taken seriously in the scores vs someone like Cohen under COP (which they used for the entire fall 2003) until her 6.0 based World title win, and suddenly her COP scores became alot more competitive too.

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