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    Quote Originally Posted by JJS5056 View Post
    How many inaccuracies can be stuffed into two paragraphs to support an illogical poll and conclusion?
    You must be referring to YOUR own post, rather than mine with this statement.

    Fumie won bronze at the 2002 and 2003 Worlds, silver at 2006 Worlds, gold at the 2003-2004 GPF, as well as both the 2003 and 2005 4CC. In that same time period (02-06), she was also top 5 at every World and Olympic event she competed in aside from 04 Worlds. How in the world is that record not comparable to Hughes' from 00-02?
    Medalling at every Olympics, Worlds, or Grand Prix final entered for 2 seasons, in addition to winning the Olympics over Kwan and Slutskaya, is far above Suguri's 2002-2003 or any phase of Suguri's career as far as being a constant presence at the top and success. You are delusional if you think otherwise. 2 seasons of medalling at 2 of the 3 World or Olympics (one a post Olympic Worlds with many people absent, Hughes included), not even qualifying or coming last at the Grand Prix final, and not even coming close to a big titles is comparable to Hughes in 2002-2003 only in some alterior universe. Hughes achieved more in 2 seasons than Fumie did her whole career, let alone in a given 2 year span.

    Lastly, Kwan landed 5 triples in SLC (she two-footed the 3T), not 6, and there's certainly a case for Suguri being as high as 3rd in each program.
    A minor two foot, to the judges she still did 6 triples, one just with a slight flaw. Fumie didnt even rotate a 6th triple. There isnt a strong case for Fumie being 3rd in the short. Kwan, Slutskaya, Cohen, were all clearly better, and one could argue Sebeysten and Butyrskaya. The only obvious is she should have been higher than Hughes. In the long she landed less triples than Hughes, Slutskaya, Kwan, and Cohen, and her presentation was not on the level of Kwan or Cohen, so I dont see a strong case for her there either.

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    You've completely changed the point you were trying (unsuccessfully) to make. You said Suguri did not compare to Hughes as a "regular podium finisher" at any point during her career. Fumie's lack of an Olympic title is not relevant to that statement. I am not debating who had more success. I am debating the accuracy of stating that Huges was more of a podium threat than Suguri ever was, and nothing you just stated changes that. Fumie's results are clear; placing top 5 all but one Word and Olympic competition from 02-06 make her undeniably every bit as much of a medal contender as Hughes was during her peak.

    As far as SLC, you've again twisted words and cited facts not based in truth. A two-footed jump was not considered complete under 6.0; no matter how "light" it may have been, Kwan's 3T was two-footed, flawed and not counted as a successful triple jump. She was marked based on 5 triples she landed on one foot. Additionally, I never used the word "strong" when discussing the case for Suguri being placed 3rd in either program. Saying that a case could be made means that it can be argued, and it absolutely can be. Kwan had an underrotated flip, Slutskaya a botched spin, and Cohen a more egregious flutz and shallow footwork. Do I think she should have been 3rd? No. But, it isn't unreasonable.

    Same with the LP. Cohen may have completed more triples, but she also fell, which impacts both sets of marks, whereas Fumie was clean and consistent. The two were also very even artistically- Cohen's Carmen was very empty choreographically. Kwan landed the same amount of triples, but with more glaring errors, and Slutskaya was tentative and sloppy. Saying Fumie could have been placed 3rd without controversy is valid, and I don't need to defend it any further.

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    This has to be the most random question ever.

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