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    At the age of 47 he is landing tripple jumps holding an umbrella. Except for the lack of hair nothing tells how old he really is. In many things Browning is far better than our single skaters. The spins, the steps...
    I love Kurt's skating too but Kurt never was a great spinner.

    Of course it is well payed, but it's not much fun skating in Chinese shows. The level is not that high either.
    Hmm, the Chinese show producers over the years have invited more or less the same non-local skaters to attend as the producers of Yuna's shows for example, such as Browning, Yagudin, Lambiel, Chan, Slutskaya, Savchenko/Szolkowy, Buttle, Weir or Rochette. I've also seen Arakawa and Cohen performing in China a coupe of years back. The programs all these skaters skated in Chinese shows were the same as the ones they presented at other shows they did the same season and I'm not quite sure they skated worse in China than in other parts of the world. So I don't know why Trankov says that the level is not that high in Chinese shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    I think it has nothing to do with the new season and programs. Volosozhar's Twitter handle and Instagram has been Firebird from the beginning (she didn't open them this year), and most likely has to do with her last name - "firebird" is "zharptica" in Russian ("zhar" means "heat/fire/flame" among other things). And "voloso" stems from the word "volosi" which means "hair". So, her last name can be loosely translated as something like "flaming/fiery hair", and she has obviously linked it to the word "zharptica"/"firebird". Of course, that doesn't mean that their LP can't be Firebird. Probably Volosozhar would want to skate to it exactly because of that connection. I just wanted to say that her Twitter and Instagram names are not meant as a specific hint.
    Interesting, thanks for explaining!

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    So V/T are moving to Sochi, buying houses, and opening school together. It's a bit confusing, but does this mean they are a couple off-ice? I'm a little out of loop. Anyone enlight me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    Hmm, the Chinese show producers over the years have invited more or less the same non-local skaters to attend as the producers of Yuna's shows for example, such as Browning, Yagudin, Lambiel, Chan, Slutskaya, Savchenko/Szolkowy, Buttle, Weir or Rochette. I've also seen Arakawa and Cohen performing in China a coupe of years back. The programs all these skaters skated in Chinese shows were the same as the ones they presented at other shows they did the same season and I'm not quite sure they skated worse in China than in other parts of the world. So I don't know why Trankov says that the level is not that high in Chinese shows.
    I was surprised by that statement too. As for other things, presumably some of the skaters who have skated in China could have told something to Trankov. All of Lambiel, Browning, Savchenko/Szolkowy, Rochette and ice acrobats Besedin/Polischuk skated both in 'Artistry on Ice' shows, as well as in 'All That Skate' together with Volosozhar/Trankov this season. We don't know about conditions in which skaters live, train and travel during the shows, but I think the level of a skating show is firstly defined by the cast, and then the visual "design" of the show (the quality of lighting and the visuals that are used). The cast of 'Artistry on Ice' has been great from the beginning, but especially these two last years. And this year the lighting and visuals were also great. And there was both rain from above and lamp posts, as well as a bench on the ice (complete with a policeman Zhao Hongbo ) for Browning's 'Singing In The Rain' program - unlike in 'All That Skate' shows where he barely talked them into pouring a bucket of water from above at the very end. Kurt seemed pretty much ecstatic about the setting when talking about it in the press conference.


    Quote Originally Posted by apple123 View Post
    So V/T are moving to Sochi, buying houses, and opening school together. It's a bit confusing, but does this mean they are a couple off-ice? I'm a little out of loop. Anyone enlight me?
    Yes, apparently.
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    Had high hope for them but not any more. boring programs. Hate their SP last season. always like V, but T comes across as arrogant and rude. What he said about Chinese show seems to be sour grape. I' m hoping S/S win the OGM with two great program now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfanfun View Post
    What he said about Chinese show seems to be sour grape.
    Lol, you think they were not invited? They had a lot offers this season with the new World title and all but chose Korea and Japan because they like them the most.
    S/S rarely have both good SP and LP. Like with Pina (a masterpiece) they had a very meh SP. Or this year both their programs were mediocre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knigolubka View Post
    Lol, you think they were not invited? They had a lot offers this season with the new World title and all but chose Korea and Japan because they like them the most.
    Indeed, I think, Maxim mentioned in some interview that they got more invitations and some of them they had to decline as they wanted to concentrate on the preparation for the Olympic season. But people here were just trying to find some reasonable explanation why suddenly he starts to bitch about shows he even wasn't present at. He was right about "too much work", from what I gathered this year they had shows, moving from the show to show, open rehearsals for media and fans in each of the four cities and press conferences in each of the four cities. But he was also wrong about: "there are no vacation days" - not true, "the level is not that high either" - totally not true. So what exactly he was trying to prove? Don't know. Probably he just loves bitching about things without any specific reason?

    S/S rarely have both good SP and LP. Like with Pina (a masterpiece) they had a very meh SP. Or this year both their programs were mediocre.
    Some of S/S programs were better these last seasons, some were worse, but there wasn't even one season/program when they were worse than the blah programs T/V were skating, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reut View Post
    Some of S/S programs were better these last seasons, some were worse, but there wasn't even one season/program when they were worse than the blah programs T/V were skating, that's for sure.
    Oh please, their programs this year were terrible, empty and boring, and I'd watch V/T's FS from this year 100 times over before sitting through that version of Bolero again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morqet View Post
    Oh please, their programs this year were terrible, empty and boring, and I'd watch V/T's FS from this year 100 times over before sitting through that version of Bolero again.
    Well, I have a feeling it has nothing to do with S/S Bolero.
    It's so obvious who out of these two pairs has better programs over the years that it's even boring to discuss it, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morqet View Post
    Oh please, their programs this year were terrible, empty and boring, and I'd watch V/T's FS from this year 100 times over before sitting through that version of Bolero again.
    Quote Originally Posted by reut View Post
    Well, I have a feeling it has nothing to do with S/S Bolero.
    It's so obvious who out of these two pairs has better programs over the years that it's even boring to discuss it, sorry.
    Indeed.

    I' rather rewatch neither, the only pairs LPs that I liked (and can still remember) from last season are K/S's February and maybe J/C's Pearl Harbor. But at least S/S keep trying to challenge themselves and to try different things, and don't have thirty second tragic/dramatic posing sections in the LP.

    V/T's cheesy Godfather was even more painful than S/S's Flamenco Bolero. Mercifully it was shorter. I could not have taken another two minutes of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    I think availability. Limited availability of affordable housing. Overabundance of luxury apartments.

    You don't want to be unique too much and go for a non warhorse. Maybe the ghost or the aboriginal dances should have been no gos from the very beginning and were so obviously bad that there was strategy to their awfulness (ghost to make anything look better in the olympic season and aboriginal to go easy on max and not do any recognizable dance because max was injured) but what if they were genuinely believed to be unique and interesting?
    Well the British commentators LOVED ghost...
    I think that Elena and Nikita did about as well as they could with it, but Morozov actually believed that he was giving them a masterpiece. Remember the fan cam of him at the boards singing through the entire song?
    Also it did bring them A LOT of attention (bad press is better than no press, right?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by apple123 View Post
    So V/T are moving to Sochi, buying houses, and opening school together. It's a bit confusing, but does this mean they are a couple off-ice? I'm a little out of loop. Anyone enlight me?
    Yes, but I think they're still getting coaching from Stanislas Morozov (Volosozhar's husband). Awkward...

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    I don't believe Volosozhar and Stas Morozov were ever actually married, but yes, he was her common law husband.

    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    I think that Elena and Nikita did about as well as they could with it, but Morozov actually believed that he was giving them a masterpiece. Remember the fan cam of him at the boards singing through the entire song?
    Also it did bring them A LOT of attention (bad press is better than no press, right?)
    I read an article that examined that. The researchers focused on authors/books and not skaters/programs, but the results showed that bad publicity/reviews were only good for unknown authors, as it raised awareness regarding their books. But negative publicity actually hurt book sales for better known authors. I think I/K would fall in the skating equivalent of the latter group

    That Morozov has crap taste is not surprising.

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    You would think enough skaters had read FSU by now to know Morosov's choreography is generally disliked by 99.9% of skating fans. Or the judges would have. Yet, skaters keep going to him and judges keep giving skaters points. Why aren't they listening to the fans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Well the British commentators LOVED ghost...
    I think that Elena and Nikita did about as well as they could with it, but Morozov actually believed that he was giving them a masterpiece. Remember the fan cam of him at the boards singing through the entire song?
    Also it did bring them A LOT of attention (bad press is better than no press, right?)
    I thought only one of the British commentators liked Ghost? And they were the only one in the world!! The Morozov video explains why you would go with a war horse rather than be interesting because people can believe something new they do can be good Or interesting but it's really seen as one ofthe worst dances ever done. So far it's happened to two Russian ice dance teams in the past 5 years! So better to be safe!

    The post about the books is interesting! Bad reviews for established is bad but not so much for new authors!

    Obviously I/k dealt with a severe technical collapse at 2013 worlds when they were 15th in Tes out of 20 but their program being agreed as one of the worst ever surely got to them on their biggest stage of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    I thought only one of the British commentators liked Ghost? And they were the only one in the world!! The Morozov video explains why you would go with a war horse rather than be interesting because people can believe something new they do can be good Or interesting but it's really seen as one ofthe worst dances ever done. So far it's happened to two Russian ice dance teams in the past 5 years! So better to be safe!

    The post about the books is interesting! Bad reviews for established is bad but not so much for new authors!

    Obviously I/k dealt with a severe technical collapse at 2013 worlds when they were 15th in Tes out of 20 but their program being agreed as one of the worst ever surely got to them on their biggest stage of the season.
    Who is the second Russian dance team? Dom Shabs don't count because Linichuk did that to take attention from Maxim's injuries. Also they got 3rd in the OD and overall in Vancouver.
    And IK also won the silver at Euros and made it to the GPF, two more firsts with GHost

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfisher View Post
    You would think enough skaters had read FSU by now to know Morosov's choreography is generally disliked by 99.9% of skating fans. Or the judges would have. Yet, skaters keep going to him and judges keep giving skaters points. Why aren't they listening to the fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Who is the second Russian dance team? Dom Shabs don't count because Linichuk did that to take attention from Maxim's injuries. Also they got 3rd in the OD and overall in Vancouver.
    And IK also won the silver at Euros and made it to the GPF, two more firsts with GHost
    How about k/n on the gp in 2009 or b/s with Delilah! It was actually more than 2 excluding d/s. But the whole issue remains that I/k were dealing with everyone hating their f/d and than totally bombed at worlds. Falling to 15.th or so in Tes. Lack of training or nerves and maybe nerves over all the hate of their program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    How about k/n on the gp in 2009 or b/s with Delilah! It was actually more than 2 excluding d/s. But the whole issue remains that I/k were dealing with everyone hating their f/d and than totally bombed at worlds. Falling to 15.th or so in Tes. Lack of training or nerves and maybe nerves over all the hate of their program?
    KN and BS had some of the UGLIEST costumes...
    Good thing Zhulin is giving them interesting material with classy costumes now.

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    I believe, in reference to the thread topic, that Maxim is correct. This team cannot afford any mistakes, and I believe this is true because they have been given the benefit of high marks while making errors.

    What the judges now CRAVE from them are CLEAN performances with the same skills they have been rewarded for doing since they started skating together.

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