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    Quote Originally Posted by geoskate View Post
    Yes, based on Nam Nguyen's performance at sectionals this weekend his name can be added to the list of candidates for the third spot. According to the detailed reports, he skated clean short and long programs, with triple axels in both short and long and with eight triples landed in the long program. The scores were 71.77 (short) and 143.24 (long). That's likely a bit inflated compared to what he would get internationally, but even with the inflation factor taken out he would still get a very good score internationally given the technical content.

    Therefore it's probably now five skaters potentially contending for the one Olympic spot and three probable spots at 4CC.
    Is Nguyen old enough? I could've sworn he was still too young.

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    Talking about the junior scene congrats to Denis Margalik for landing a clean 2axel 3loop combo with positive GOE. That must be tougher than some triple-triple combos.

    He has beaten Leslie Ip three times this season ( including this summer ) and yet Leslie Ip got the JGP this year and Margalik was not listed as a substitute for any events

    It is clear that the only reason that Denis was ignored was a lack of a triple-triple. Every other aspect of his skating is superior to Leslie's by a long shot.

    Leslie also tends to pop jumps late in long programs. As well , Denis is younger and has a lot more upside.

    Hopefully SC learns next season is that scores should be the marks should be the main focus for JGP slots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proustable View Post
    Is Nguyen old enough? I could've sworn he was still too young.
    He is old enough for all competitions this year. He turned 15 on May 20 this year.

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    Does Nguyen have the minimum TES for Olympics/4CC?

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    Yes. refer to: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post4005407

    CANADA (3 spots)
    CAN Kevin REYNOLDS 47.69 92.21
    CAN Patrick CHAN 52.70 84.21
    CAN Andrei ROGOZINE 39.36 81.03
    CAN Elladj BALDE 39.72 66.74
    CAN Jeremy TEN 42.42 61.49
    CAN Nam NGUYEN 34.88 61.51
    CAN Liam FIRUS 29.88 55.21
    CAN Mitchell GORDON 28.19 55.84
    CAN Roman SADOVSKY 26.74 55.56
    CAN Leslie IP 25.96 53.42
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    "'Is this new BMW-designed sled the ultimate sledding machine for Langdon and Holcomb?' Leigh Diffey asked before the pair cruised to victory. I don’t know, but I know that sled is the ultimate Olympic Games product placement.." -- Jen Chaney

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    Is Reynolds pretty much a lock for the 2nd spot. If so who has the best chance at the 3rd spot this year. Will be at the Canadians live this year, excited as it has been the first time in years I went.

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    Beverley Smith's article on Jeremy Ten (Dec. 18, 2013): http://www.skatecanada.ca/AboutUs/Ne...S/Default.aspx

    Senior Men SP start order at Canadians (Reynolds & Chan are the final 2):
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    10 Mitchell Gordon BC/YK 178.85 (Challenge)
    11 Roman Sadovsky CO 188.10
    12 Jeremy Ten BC/YK 192.95
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    13 Nam Nguyen CO 194.00
    14 Liam Firus BC/YK 199.66
    15 Elladj Balde QC (GP bye through Challenge)
    16 Andrei Rogozine CO 208.19

    2013 ISU Season Best total scores:
    28 205.56 Jeremy TEN CAN Nebelhorn Trophy 2013 28.09.2013
    29 205.19 Elladj BALDE CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2013 26.10.2013
    39 197.35 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2013 26.10.2013
    [-- 194.93 Liam FIRUS CAN Cup of Nice 2013 (Senior B)]
    54 181.04 Nam NGUYEN CAN ISU JGP Mexico Cup 2013 06.09.2013
    91 146.89 Roman SADOVSKY CAN ISU JGP Riga Cup 2013 31.08.2013
    94 145.19 Mitchell GORDON CAN ISU JGP Czech Skate 2013 05.10.2013

    From earlier in this thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by geoskate View Post
    The four potential skaters who (IMO) could accompany Patrick and Kevin to the Olympics are quite close in their best international scores so far this season:

    1. Jeremy Ten Nebelhorn 205.56 (short 76.49, long 129.07)
    2. Eladj Balde Skate Canada 205.19 (short 72.35, long 132.84)
    3. Andrei Rogozine Skate Canada 197.35 (short 68.31, long 129.04)
    4. Liam Firus Cup de Nice 194.93 (short 65.07; long 129.86)

    If either Eladj or Andrei gets a consistent quad in both the short and long program, that could put them ahead of others. If either Jeremy or Liam can do three consistent triple axels (one in the short, two in the long), that could put them ahead of the others. Otherwise it could be very close.
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    Reynolds hasn't competed this year yet. If he's still having boot problems or is so far behind in his training and can't land the big jumps, I think he's beatable, but it probably will take two stellar back-to-back skates to do it. Ten is skating last in the penultimate group, while Nyugen, Firus, Balde, Rogozine, Reynolds, and Chan skate the last.

    So far this year, the results for the suspected contenders are (ETA: Added in Challenges results):

    Firus:
    Coupe de Nice Senior Men 6 Liam FIRUS CAN 194.93 7 6
    Coupe de Nice Senior Men FS 6 Liam FIRUS CAN 129.86 60.48 69.38
    Coupe de Nice Senior Men SP 7 Liam FIRUS CAN 65.07 33.44 31.63

    Challenges: 199.66 (2nd)
    FS 2 135.73 64.53 72.20 (-1)
    SP 5 63.93 29.98 34.95 (-1)

    Ten:
    Nebelhorn Trophy Senior Men 3 Jeremy TEN CAN 205.56
    Nebelhorn Trophy oq Senior Men FS 5 Jeremy TEN CAN 129.07 61.49 68.58
    Nebelhorn Trophy oq Senior Men SP 3 Jeremy TEN CAN 76.49 42.42 34.07

    Challenges: 192.95 (4th)
    FS 5 121.82 51.22 70.60
    SP 1 71.13 37.78 34.35

    Balde:
    Lombardia Trophy Senior Men 4 Elladj BALDE CAN 174.8 8 4
    Lombardia Trophy Senior Men FS 4 Elladj BALDE CAN 122.1 66.74 56.36
    Lombardia Trophy Senior Men SP 8 Elladj BALDE CAN 52.7 29.96 26.74

    Skate Canada Senior Men 7 Elladj BALDE CAN 205.19
    Skate Canada x Senior Men FS 7 Elladj BALDE CAN 132.84 67.06 65.78
    Skate Canada x Senior Men SP 6 Elladj BALDE CAN 72.35 40.71 31.64

    Rogozine:
    US International Figure Skating Classic Senior Men 7 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN 168.92
    US International Figure Skating Classic Senior Men SP 8 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN 58.39 27.73 30.66
    US International Figure Skating Classic Senior Men FS 7 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN 110.53 50.01 60.52

    Skate Canada Senior Men 8 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN 197.35
    Skate Canada x Senior Men FS 9 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN 129.04 66.68 62.36
    Skate Canada x Senior Men SP 9 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN 68.31 37.2 31.11

    Challenges: 208.19 (1st)
    FS 1 140.22 76.02 64.20
    SP 2 67.97 37.42 30.55

    Nyugen: -- Loop is required solo jump in Juniors (Base=5.1 compared to 3Lz base-6), and no Choreographic Step Sequence (Base=2)
    JPG Mexico City Junior Men 4 Nam NGUYEN CAN 181.04
    JGP Mexico City x Junior Men FS 4 Nam NGUYEN CAN 116.66 59.46 58.2
    JGP Mexico City x Junior Men SP 4 Nam NGUYEN CAN 64.38 34.88 29.5

    JGP Gdansk Junior Men 16 Nam NGUYEN CAN 138.87
    JGP Gdansk x Junior Men FS 12 Nam NGUYEN CAN 98.69 45.77 53.92
    JGP Gdansk x Junior Men SP 23 Nam NGUYEN CAN 40.18 13.89 26.29

    Challenges: 194.00 (3rd)
    FS 3 130.79 67.59 63.20
    SP 7 63.21 32.01 32.20 (-1)
    Last edited by kwanfan1818; 12-24-2013 at 09:47 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    It's a pity that LIam had to content with nursing his injuries last season. Hoping to see Liam back in the running for a place to Sochi. Good luck to him and all the other guys - Nam, Andrei, Ten, Balde. (I assume all is well with Kevin). Go guys.
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    A couple of articles on Liam Firus:

    Skate switch set Firus on path to Olympic Games

    That fighting spirit has been there for Firus since he first laced up a pair of figure skates, said Bauer, his longtime coach at the North Vancouver-based Vancouver Skating Club.

    "He is one of the really nicest kids," she said after returning home from Ottawa where she watched Firus live out one of his dreams.

    "He's got good manners, he's respectful, he shows up every day and he works hard. Even when he's sick he shows up and I usually have to send him home - that's how dedicated he is."
    Unfiltered – Making the cut: The cost of becoming an Olympian

    North Vancouver’s Liam Firus, who made the Canadian Olympic figure skating team, is one of the athletes who finds funding hard to come by.

    He held an event in his home town today to raise money.

    Liam’s mother Lois Sullivan said on Unfiltered with Jill Krop tonight she’s had to sacrifice a lot to support her son’ skating.

    One of the most drastic measures was selling her house.

    But Sullivan says she does not look at sponsoring her son’s ambition as a strain.

    “I never felt like I could turn around and say – you can’t do this anymore because I can’t afford it. That was never an option.”
    Can I just say how much I love when good things happen to good people?


    Going through the vids from the Jr. Men’s event at Nats now, did anyone other than Nicholas Nadeau try a 3A? I can’t believe how much he’s grown in the last year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug View Post
    Going through the vids from the Jr. Men’s event at Nats now, did anyone other than Nicholas Nadeau try a 3A? I can’t believe how much he’s grown in the last year!
    Bennet Toman, the second place finisher.

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    Bennet Toman, the second place finisher.
    Yes, in the long program (but not the short). I think there were two triple axels landed in total in the junior men's competition, if I read the protocols correctly.

    I like Bennet, not only for his skating, but also for his perserverance. He's been trying to add a lot of difficulty this year, not only attempting the triple axel, but also other added difficulty in his jumps. Earlier in the season it really wasn't working that well for him, and was likely costing him placements at the competitions he entered. He kept at it, though, not watering down his programs, and at Canadians that strategy finally paid off.

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    NMURA posted the Japanese spring international assignments in the Japanese news thread. No wonder they have so much depth in their mens' and womens' programs; they spend the money to send promising skaters on development assignments.

    I wish Skate Canada would do something similar. Skate Canada seems really reluctant to send anyone on international assignments until they have thoroughly proven themselves. They also seem really reluctant to spend their own money to send skaters to assignments, and mostly rely on JGP assignments as training for the younger skaters. The Japanese don't take that approach; if you follow the results of the Japanese skaters at their assignments, they certainly aren't always stellar, so the skaters are sent because they are promising, not because they necessarily win medals at their international competitions. However, a certain proportion of them do make it through to the elite international level, and once there they already know how to compete. The Japanese federation is willing to use their own money to do this, too, not just relying on JGP assignments.

    I feel that a lot of potentially excellent Canadian skaters retire early because Skate Canada doesn't provide much incentive to continue. All they have is Canadian nationals once a year. If they don't do well at that, they're out of luck until the next season. International assignments could provide additional incentive to continue, and would also provide a first-hand look at what is required to succeed on the international level.

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    Congratulations to Nam Nguyen on his skating at 4CC. He skated almost clean programs in both the short and long program, and established new ISU personal bests in all aspects of the competition (short, long, and overall).

    Although he's skated this well at national competitions (Octoberfest, COS sectionals and Canadians), he has never been able to duplicate those national skates on an international stage until now.

    Jeremy Ten establised a new overall score ISU personal best, although he did not match his personal bests for the short program or the long program individually.

    And finally, Eladj Balde established a new ISU personal best for the long program.

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    Assignments for the men at Junior Worlds have been published.

    The two men assigned were the obvious ones - Nam Nguyen and Roman Sadovsky. They had the best scores of any Canadian junior skaters this season both internationally and at Canadians. Alternates are Mitchell Gordon (also obvious, since he had the third highest score both internationally and at Canadians) and Leslie Ip. Leslie Ip was 12th at Canadians, so I'm assuming he was listed because he is the only other junior-eligible Canadian skater who has met the ISU minimums.

    The junior champion (Denis Margalik) and the junior silver medallist (Bennet Toman) have never been assigned by Skate Canada to any international competitions, so they have no ISU minimum score and can't be alternates to Junior worlds.

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    Thanks geoskate. Looking forward to watch the juniors grow.
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    Margalik is listed on the ISU tech scores page though.

    http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/tes/stsmall.htm

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    Thanks. I hadn't realized he skated at that competition, since I don't think it was ever on the Skate Canada assignments page (but I could be wrong about that). According to the link you supplied, he has met the ISU minimum score for both the short program and the long program.

    In that case, why in the world would Leslie Ip (12th at Canadians in junior) be chosen over the junior champion? It makes absolutely no sense.

    Any comments or explanations on that from danafan (or from anyone else)?

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    Canada's Nam Nguyen wins world junior figure skating title: http://skatecanada.ca/AboutUs/NewsDe...S/Default.aspx
    Excerpt:
    "Nam really skated for it," said Orser. "Doing Four Continents (in January) was one of the best things for him. That was his first senior international competition and first time competing against the senior men. He stepped it up getting ready for that event."

    Nguyen, 12th at last year's world juniors, now heads to Japan for the senior worlds later this month.
    Photo tweeted by Skate Canada: http://pic.twitter.com/NhIwRNLxXN
    SP (72.87, 1st): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ybMIsCugXs
    FS (144.19, 1st): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVpbG3DgsTM

    Roman Sadovsky finished in 13th place with 178.44 (he set 3 new ISU personal best scores in Sofia). ETA link to his SP (60.79, 14th): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB2OtGgzPyo

    ETA link to a Canadian Press article: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/figureskati...rlds-1.2574237
    Excerpt:
    "I have to get back to training on Tuesday and I leave for worlds on Saturday, so I just have to enjoy the moment as much as possible now and when I get back I focus only on the senior world championships," Nguyen said.

    When Nguyen was assigned to the senior world team, Orser cautioned his young skater "not to get ahead of himself."

    "I said we have to get through junior worlds and do a great job there, and then we would shift gears after that for worlds. He was really able to do that and I was proud of him for that," Orser said. "He is really on such a great emotional high to carry him through, so he is just going to ride this wave. He has had a really busy season with 12 or 13 competitions, and he has just gotten better and better at each one."
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