View Poll Results: Who has performed the greatest triple lutz in competition?

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  • Midori Ito

    9 4.89%
  • Tonya Harding

    49 26.63%
  • Nancy Kerrigan

    1 0.54%
  • Victoria Volchkova

    11 5.98%
  • Julia Sebestyen

    14 7.61%
  • Irina Slutskaya

    16 8.70%
  • Tanja Szewczenko

    2 1.09%
  • Yu Na Kim

    59 32.07%
  • Miki Ando

    4 2.17%
  • Gracie Gold

    8 4.35%
  • Agnes Zawadski

    3 1.63%
  • Other

    8 4.35%
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    I also don't think Volchkova had enough flow out of it to be considered one of the great of all time lutzes.

    See an example of what she typically did on her lutz below:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...tgFhKtB4#t=90s

    Big, but poor flow out of it; she had to turn right after.

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    I think Baiul deserves a mention. I know she never seemed to really master it, often two footing when she did land it but when it was on it was a beauty. She had so much speed and attack going into it and her height was ridiculous. She also had a deep outside edge. There was one that she did for a Disney special and it was one of the best I had ever seen. I wish I could find it. I think it was a Disney special staring Michelle Kwan and may have been when she was doing her Mulan number.

    I also don't see the issue with people voting for Gold. The poll asks who had the best 3lutz. It isn't about who had the most consistent or who landed the 3lutz for the longest time. Theoretically, someone could win this poll who had only competed once...if their 3lutz was just that good.
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    Elizabeth Manley had a beautiful 3Lz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I think Baiul deserves a mention. I know she never seemed to really master it, often two footing when she did land it but when it was on it was a beauty. She had so much speed and attack going into it and her height was ridiculous. She also had a deep outside edge. There was one that she did for a Disney special and it was one of the best I had ever seen. I wish I could find it. I think it was a Disney special staring Michelle Kwan and may have been when she was doing her Mulan number.

    I also don't see the issue with people voting for Gold. The poll asks who had the best 3lutz. It isn't about who had the most consistent or who landed the 3lutz for the longest time. Theoretically, someone could win this poll who had only competed once...if their 3lutz was just that good.
    I agree. Oksana Baiul's Lutz was textbook.

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    The best triple lutz in the LP of the 94 Olympics was a toss up between Baiul and Harding. Nobody else all night long even came close. Kerrigan had a great triple lutz combo in the short when she did it, but in the long her triple lutzes were never as great, often smaller and with less quality, when she even landed it that is. While I still disagree with the 94 Olympics result I also think that is one of several things that swayed the judges in Oksana's favor over Nancy. Her triple lutz that night was much bigger with a better running edge out, and Nancy's almost even looked two footed (although it wasnt).

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    Baiul did have an amazing lutz! I also think Chen Lu and her delayed-rotation lutz deserve mention as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Her triple lutz that night was much bigger with a better running edge out, and Nancy's almost even looked two footed (although it wasnt).
    Many still say that Oksana two-footed the 3toe thrown in near the end of her program. I always thought Nancy's 3lutz looked more two-footed than Oksana's 3toe.

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    I like Rochette's and Shizuka's from recent times

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    Quote Originally Posted by duane View Post
    Many still say that Oksana two-footed the 3toe thrown in near the end of her program. I always thought Nancy's 3lutz looked more two-footed than Oksana's 3toe.
    Slo-mo says that Kerrigan landed the lutz cleanly.
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    weird that Slutskaya and Yebin Mok are not on the list...

    I voted Volchkova.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duane View Post
    Many still say that Oksana two-footed the 3toe thrown in near the end of her program. I always thought Nancy's 3lutz looked more two-footed than Oksana's 3toe.
    Nancy had her foot crossed really low, but it was not 2-footed on slo-mo (at least to my eyes).
    I don't know about Baiul's 3T. But for sure, her 3F was clearly 2-footed, Hahahaaaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by falling_dance View Post
    Slo-mo says that Kerrigan landed the lutz cleanly.
    Oh it was definitely clean but first time around it wasnt so clear it was. Overall it was rather low and not an impressive jump, even though it brought a huge roar from the crowd. Kerrigan's lutzes in the short program are always great (except rare time she misses it) but the LP they are usually not nearly as good, and often missed altogether.

    I agree with the poster who said in real time Nancy's triple lutz looked as possibly two footed as Biaul's triple toe, even though in slo mo it is clear that Baiul's triple toe was probably two footed, and Nancy's triple lutz wasnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    I agree with the poster who said in real time Nancy's triple lutz looked as possibly two footed as Biaul's triple toe
    duane said that it appeared even more to be two-footed than Baiul's triple toe did. I disagree.

    ETA: YMMV, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duane View Post
    Many still say that Oksana two-footed the 3toe thrown in near the end of her program. I always thought Nancy's 3lutz looked more two-footed than Oksana's 3toe.
    I think it's because of the camera angle that the two jumps were shot at. The camera shot Nancy's lutz almost nearly from the front near her free foot on landing, while Baiul's was from the side. When you looked at Baiul's triple toe in real time from the front, it was obvious that it was two footed. Plus Nancy's triple lutz was just a tad under-rotated which is why her feet were crossed so low on landing (but not enough to receive a < by today's standards).

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    Quote Originally Posted by duane View Post
    Baiul did have an amazing lutz! I also think Chen Lu and her delayed-rotation lutz deserve mention as well.
    I agree these 2 had amazing lutzs esp Chen in 95/96.
    Kerrigans lutz was not as high or impressive as Baiul in the LP, but she attempted hers towards the back half of her program. Baiul did hers on fresh legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmcC102 View Post
    I also don't think Volchkova had enough flow out of it to be considered one of the great of all time lutzes.

    See an example of what she typically did on her lutz below:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...tgFhKtB4#t=90s

    Big, but poor flow out of it; she had to turn right after.
    That was how she often did her jumps in competition. As Sandra mentioned, she sometimes did land jumps amazingly in practice. Her triple lutz was the caliber of a man's, but I only saw that happen in practice. Her upper body was a wreck in competition too. She seemed to hate the audience-- or get so nervous and distracted that the jumps became cautious and ill-timed.

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    Last generation: Harding, Baiul

    Recent generation: Kim, Gold

    Harding and Baiul had wonderful quality solo lutzes but then they never had to do all sorts of steps before it or tag a 3toe after it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Harding and Baiul had wonderful quality solo lutzes but then they never had to do all sorts of steps before it or tag a 3toe after it.
    Well, in the SP they both were not allowed since the solo jump was a double and the second jump in the combo was a double, and they often still had as many steps before their solo 3Lz in their LP as Kostner had before her solo 3Lz in her SP

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    Speaking of Kostner, her lutz can be spectacular. Especially now that she's no longer entering them at 50 mph.

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