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    I haven't seen his FS yet, but I'm thrilled for him that he pulled a good skate out of the bag. Overall he should be pleased with his ability to set a bad skate aside, which says a lot about his maturity now and will serve him well in Sochi. The Japanese skaters are definitely going to be challenging for gold, but he already knew that. I'm really looking forward to seeing him skate at Canadians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    I think the quad salchow would actually raise his BV by around 7 points. I am sure Patrick will analyze the scores as soon as he gets back home and will make the decision he believes is the right one for him.
    His current programs are pretty good and he seems to have got into the rhythm consistency. Will see what he will do at Nationals. That's the best place to test it out.
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    Actually I saw Patrick and Hanyu in stadium - Teb live. Two have really different level in skatng and Hanyu can‘t have 90- pcs outside Japan. I think Patrick don't need to have another quad(quad salchow) or 3A. I always think it is the better choice to make clean program in Olympic. Patrick also know that.
    Good luck in Sochi, Patrick!
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    So why does he get them in Japan? Again, my issues with this 'sport'. It shouldn't matter what country you are in, your marks should reflect what you do, not who you are or where you are at the moment.

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    On the bright side, that's his second, consecutive, clean long program. Looking back into the past 2 seasons, this is actually very exciting.

    I am very surprised he didn't at least win the free. But I guess Hanyu doing 2 quads and 8 triples (even with a fall) does have an advantage over Chan with 2 quads and 7 triples (and just 6 here at GPF).

    Having said that I think it's dumb to add in a second 3axel or a 4sal at this stage of the Olympic season. I still maintain that if he skates like he did in France he will win the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post

    Having said that I think it's dumb to add in a second 3axel or a 4sal at this stage of the Olympic season. I still maintain that if he skates like he did in France he will win the Olympics.
    Exactly. If he wanted to up his technical ability, he should've done it at the beginning of the season (or even last season). Changing something or trying a new element 2 months before the Olympics is way too risky. Patrick has been skating amazing so far this season, and he still holds the WR in the free skate and total score. Stay the course

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    But I guess Hanyu doing 2 quads and 8 triples (even with a fall) does have an advantage over Chan with 2 quads and 7 triples (and just 6 here at GPF).
    That's probably the point some of the fans of Chan were trying to make. If turning just one triple toe into a double toe can make a skater of Patrick's incredible skating skills lose the program to a skater with a fall but who completed more triple jumps than him, I would say, yes, this definitely is a cause for concern because it seems that Chan has no room for error at all whereas Yuzuru obviously does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    That's probably the point some of the fans of Chan were trying to make. If turning just one triple toe into a double toe can make a skater of Patrick's incredible skating skills lose the program to a skater with a fall but who completed more triple jumps than him, I would say, yes, this definitely is a cause for concern because it seems that Chan has no room for error at all whereas Yuzuru obviously does.
    I am not completely convinced that Hanyu has great competitive nerves, but kudos for his victory this week-end.

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    Now that I've seen Patrick's skate, I have to say it was well done. It was interesting to hear Kurt on CBC say that that skate was a fight all the way through. He also noticed that Patrick was favouring one leg - hope there's nothing wrong.

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    Thank you for your reports, ali_dorate! I hope you had a wonderful time!

    Honestly, I was happy to see Patrick have to fight through it today, because it shows him that he can do it under any conditions. I was really, really impressed. also noticed him favouring one leg...i hope that he has a chance to rest it a bit.

    Anyways, terrific competition. Awesome job to all the medalists!

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    I usually don't go with all the 'home country' conspiracy theories, but I do think it is a bit suspicious that Hanyu won the LP. Overall, of course, no question, but Chan should have been the LP winner.

    But on a brighter note, Kudos to Oda!! I've always loved Nobu, and it's great to see him recover from a hard fall, skate a great performance and not 'Oda it'.

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    Someone commented on the affect of traveling on Patrick - well, he does have to travel to Sochi as well. I hope he goes early enough to optimize his adjustment to the time change.

    Quote Originally Posted by sequins View Post
    I'm disappointed for Patrick but I feel it may be a necessary wake up call. I read his comment something like Paris was so perfect and that is hard to ever duplicate. Which is what I feared. Too much, too soon, too early in the season. How do you top it? So in that sense I'm kinda glad he has something to improve on, he has to refocus, he can't rest on his laurels and even if he's perfect Hanyu can still challenge him. I can only hope this will be a positive and necessary step towards the Olympic gold.
    Well, Hanyu too has perfection to duplicate - complete perfection in the SP and near perfection in the LP.

    Regardless of whether not Hanya is overscored, it isn't the first time. He went in to the competition as the only man to beat Chan technically and the judges consistently favour him, if you believe you believe it is favouritism rather than fair scores.

    I'm a pessimistic Canadian and I fear the Olympic curse on Canadian men will continue in Sochi. Hanyu has a LP technical advantage over Chan in terms of the numbers and it is a stronger advantage than Chan's artistically, if clean goes against clean.

    For Chan to win the Olympics he has to have an absolutely perfect SP, to get in the lead. And just doubling his triple after the first quad could cost him the free.

    In his interview on Canadian TV he said he would let Hanyu have this one, as he intended to win the Olympics. Fingers crossed that he'll put his money where his mouth is!! Given how much better his skating is than Hanyu's in terms of his maturity and his basics - well, it will be very sad if he gives the Olympics away to Yuzu.

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    For Chan to win the Olympics he has to have an absolutely perfect SP, to get in the lead.
    Only provided Hanyu would make mistakes because his SP seems to be worth 99.84 points when skated cleanly against Patrick's just 98.52. Then Patrick's growth potential in the free is not as high as Hanyu's. Chan's TES went up by some 17 points at TEB against Skate Canada but his PCS rose by less than 6 points. By contrast, Hanyu gained as much as 11 points on PCS on his previous competition for a rise in TES of 14-15 points.

    I'm a pessimistic Canadian and I fear the Olympic curse on Canadian men will continue in Sochi.
    Unfortunately, it's much too late now for Patrick to change countries.

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    So you think Hanyu deserved those PCS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    Unfortunately, it's much too late now for Patrick to change countries.


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    So you think Hanyu deserved those PCS?
    No, I think the LP should have gone to Patrick as Patrick's complex skating skills is far superior to Hanyu's. But then with the big lead in SP, it would have been difficult for Patrick to catch up with Hanyu in the LP. Hanyu won because he has higher number of difficult jumps. Even though he fell, he still gain marks for that jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    That's probably the point some of the fans of Chan were trying to make. If turning just one triple toe into a double toe can make a skater of Patrick's incredible skating skills lose the program to a skater with a fall but who completed more triple jumps than him, I would say, yes, this definitely is a cause for concern because it seems that Chan has no room for error at all whereas Yuzuru obviously does.
    This last bit about Hanyu having room for errors sounds like the same reasoning used in other years regarding Chan when he won competitions with falls. Does this mean Chan has lost 'most favoured status' with the judges?

    Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Chan's skating, but for a few years now, some have said there are just no men out there who can touch him in PCS. Well, now it appears that someone is out there. Chan doesn't have that buffer...but I'm not convinced that any of those top guys have that buffer. We all know the short program is critical; trying to make up a 10-point deficit without having a top competitor completely implode is almost impossible. Should Chan have won the long? What were the differences in the protocols? Where did Hanyu gain points or Chan give away points?

    I found the idea that Chan had such a buffer rather ridiculous, and I believe the same is true of Hanyu. I think if these guys want to win Olympic gold, they are all going to have to be perfect...unless there are a whole lot of implosions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by screech View Post
    I usually don't go with all the 'home country' conspiracy theories, but I do think it is a bit suspicious that Hanyu won the LP. Overall, of course, no question, but Chan should have been the LP winner.

    But on a brighter note, Kudos to Oda!! I've always loved Nobu, and it's great to see him recover from a hard fall, skate a great performance and not 'Oda it'.
    Many Chan-haters have been whining about GP Skate Canada always favorite Patrick. Well, isn't it obvious that it happened to Russian Cup and now this Final in Japan too? It's just ridiculous that a clean Patrick is now losing to a mistake Hanyu! Hanyu should be NO WHERE close to Patrick in presentation marks. Yet with a fall, he still won the FS? WTF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post



    No, I think the LP should have gone to Patrick as Patrick's complex skating skills is far superior to Hanyu's. But then with the big lead in SP, it would have been difficult for Patrick to catch up with Hanyu in the LP. Hanyu won because he has higher number of difficult jumps. Even though he fell, he still gain marks for that jump.
    Hanyu's SP was way over inflated anyway! So a perfect Patrick in TEB will still scored less than a perfect Hanyu in Japan? In the Short, TES should be close, with a small edge to Hanyu. But PCS wise, Patrick should be way ahead of Hanyu. It's just de javu to me, similar to Russian Cup with those crazy scores from the Russian skaters in Dance and Men.

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    I was turned off by Patrick and his comment he "let Hanyu win." Also his comments about not winning in Vancouver bc he was skating for his country, where now he skates for himself. Who says such things? You would think he would get some media training

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie12 View Post
    I was turned off by Patrick and his comment he "let Hanyu win." Also his comments about not winning in Vancouver bc he was skating for his country, where now he skates for himself. Who says such things? You would think he would get some media training
    Blonde please read the title ....this is a UBER thread. If Patrick turns you off there are numerous haters thread or you.....
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