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    Post 2014 Olympic figure skating team selection criteria / published guidelines by country

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    Czech FSA published today, that Michal Brezina and Tomas Verner are locks for Olympics as they have won the places for CZE.

    In case of Ladies and Ice Dance potential qualifiers: the decision for Nebelhorn Trophy will be made at National team test skate (August 24th) and who is fulfilling the criterias (generally jumps and levels for singles and levels for Ice Dance) will be going to Oberstdorf. If two or more fulfilling it, then the best sum of TES from SP/SD + FP/FD is the decision maker.

    Once the lady / ID team is winning the direct Q place at Nebelhorn Trophy it means his direct qualification for Olys if she ķ they are fulfilling ISU min. TES (which already nearly everybody was fulfilling last season). In case the lady / ID team would be a substitute entry for Olys onlya then the decision will be postponed until after Nationals and the best placed National competitor with ISU min. TES will be going to Sochi.

    The only question mark is if Mysliveckova / Brown are going to Oberstdorf and Neil would not be having Czech Citizenship in time, the other Ice Dance will qualify for Olmypics (since Kubova / Novak are having both TES mins from last season).

    Asfar as I know the Czech NOC will follow Czech FSA rules and skaters nominations without any additional criterias.

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    On bottom of page 4, #1.3, where it says:

    U.S. Figure Skating can qualify up to a maximum of three (3) ladies, three (3)
    men, three (3) pair’s teams and three (3) ice dance teams to the 2014 Winter
    Olympic Games (see Attachment C)...
    Shouldn't that read three ladies, two men, two pairs, three ice dance teams...?

    Okay, wait, I see it says "up to a maximum."

    Is there any possibility of someone other than those making the team to be selected to participate in the Olympic team event? Or do those who are selected for the team event have to be strictly chosen from the main qualifiers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post

    On bottom of page 4, #1.3, where it says:

    Shouldn't that read three ladies, two men, two pairs, three ice dance teams...?

    Okay, wait, I see it says "up to a maximum."

    Is there any possibility of someone other than those making the team to be selected to participate in the Olympic team event? Or do those who are selected for the team event have to be strictly chosen from the main qualifiers?
    It says "up to three" ... However, if you read the next sentence it specifically states that the number of athletes that qualify will be determined at the 2013 World Championships. (The selection criteria was approved and signed prior to the 2013 WC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    On bottom of page 4, #1.3, where it says:
    Is there any possibility of someone other than those making the team to be selected to participate in the Olympic team event? Or do those who are selected for the team event have to be strictly chosen from the main qualifiers?
    I have the same question. I've been searching briefly for an answer to this, and it's not completely clear.

    The USA document linked above says:

    In addition, U.S. Figure Skating can qualify one lady, one man, one pair
    team and one ice dance team from the nominated athletes of the 2014 U.S.
    Olympic Team to compete in the Team Event provided the U.S. qualifies as
    one of the ten best member federation teams based on qualifying points
    outlined in the Qualification System for XXII Olympic Winter Games, Sochi
    2014 (Attachment C). The athletes/teams nominated to compete in the Team
    Event must be from the nominated athletes/teams for the 2014 Olympic Team
    in the individual disciplines. After the short programs of the Team Event, the
    top five countries with the highest number of aggregate placement points will
    qualify athletes/teams to compete in the free skate program of the Team
    Event. The Team Event athletes/teams competing in the free skate/free
    dance segments must be the same athletes/teams that competed in the short
    programs, however, each country is allowed to substitute up to two entries
    (men, ladies, pairs or ice dance) from the selected athletes on the 2014 U.S.
    Olympic Team)...

    Team Event Athlete Nominees

    Once the nominations of each discipline are approved in a ranked order by the
    International Committee, the International Committee will consider for
    approval the nominations of the athletes/teams to compete in the Team Event
    as recommended by the ICMS.

    The strategy for athletes competing in the Team Event will be based on
    maximizing the potential for peak performances and placements in the Team
    Event as well as the athlete/team’s individual event. Twenty one days prior to
    the selections meeting at the 2014 U.S. Figure Skating Championships for each
    discipline, all athletes/teams, with their primary coach’s approval, will submit
    the intent to compete form (see Attachment E) to participate in the Team Event
    at the 2014 Olympic Winter Games. The athletes/teams will indicate whether
    they want to be considered for both segments, short only, free skate only or
    would like to opt out of participating in the Team Event.
    The intent to compete
    form will provide the ICMS and the IC with valuable information on the
    athlete/team’s strategy to perform at their peak at the Games in the Team Event
    as well as their individual event. An athlete/team must submit an intent to
    compete form, to be considered as a nominee for the 2014 Olympic Winter
    Games. However, in order to fill the field of the Team Event, and because there
    will be limitations on participation (only those athletes nominated to the 2014
    Olympic Team in their discipline will be eligible) and substitution (only two
    disciplines can be substituted), U.S. Figure Skating may nominate an athlete to
    compete in the Team Event based on his/her willingness to reconsider as
    expressed on the intent to compete form
    . In addition, the ICMS will rank the
    disciplines for the purpose of determining which athletes/teams will have the
    first or second option of substitution if the first ranked athlete/team chooses to
    compete in one segment only. Based on the ranking system for the disciplines
    and athletes, along with the intent to compete form completed by the athletes
    and their primary coach, the ICMS will nominate the athletes to compete in the
    Team Event.

    The ranking order of the disciplines by the ICMS will be based on which
    disciplines have the best opportunity to medal and/or provide the strongest
    field in the individual events and the ranking order of the athletes/teams will
    be used to determine which athletes will have priority in competing in the Team
    Event. The highest ranked disciplines will have the first option of substitution
    in the Team Event if the U.S. qualifies for the free skate. The same criteria (using
    the same competitions in a priority order listed earlier in section 1.3) to
    nominate the Olympic Team members will be used to rank the disciplines. The
    ranked order for the disciplines and athletes/teams must be approved by the
    International Committee, before nominations of the participants in the Team
    Event are approved.

    The nominations of the participants for the Team Event will be made with the
    highest-ranked discipline selected first, the second-ranked discipline selected
    second, the third-ranked discipline selected third and the fourth-ranked
    discipline selected fourth. When the substitutions of athlete/team of two
    disciplines are made, the athlete/team of the remaining two discipline(s) will
    compete in the free skate/free dance segment according to the athlete’s/teams’
    wishes in the intent to compete form or their desire to reconsider if U.S. Figure
    Skating cannot field a complete Team (four disciplines) for the Team Event at
    the 2014 Olympic Winter Games.

    If U.S. Figure Skating qualifies two athletes/teams in a discipline (men, ladies,
    pairs, dance) for the 2014 Olympic Winter Games, the top ranked athlete/team
    determined by the ICMS and approved by the International Committee will
    have the option to compete in no segments, both segments or only one segment
    based on their intent to compete form to participate in the Team Event.
     If the top-ranked skater/team elects to compete in both segments, the
    second-ranked athlete/team will not compete in the Team Event
     If the top-ranked skater/team elects to compete in only one segment,
    the second-ranked skater/team will have the option to compete in
    the other segment (if the U.S. qualifies for both segments).
     If the top-ranked athlete/team opts out of competing in the Team
    Event, the second-ranked athlete/team will have the option to
    compete in both segments of the Team Event.
     If the top-ranked and second-ranked athletes/teams decline to
    participate in the Team Event and U.S. Figure Skating cannot field a
    complete Team (four disciplines) for the Team Event at the 2014
    Olympic Winter Games, U.S. Figure Skating will either enter 3
    disciplines or withdraw from participating in the Team Event (if less
    than three disciplines).

    If U.S. Figure Skating qualifies three athletes/teams in a discipline (men, ladies,
    pairs, dance) for the 2014 Olympic Winter Games, the top ranked athlete/team
    determined by the ICMS and approved by the International Committee will
    have the option to compete in no segments, both segments or only one segment
    based on their intent to compete form to participate in the Team Event.
     If the top-ranked skater/team elects to compete in both segments, the
    second and third-ranked athlete/team will not compete in the Team
    Event

     If the top-ranked skater/team elects to compete in only one segment,
    the second-ranked skater/team will have the option to participate in
    the other segment (if the U.S. qualifies for both segments).
    o If the second-ranked skater/team opts out of
    competing in the Team Event, the third- ranked
    skater/team will have the option to compete in the
    other segment.
    o If the second-ranked and third-ranked skaters/teams
    decline to participate in the Team Event and U.S.
    Figure Skating cannot field a complete Team (four
    disciplines) for the final segment (free skate, free dance)
    U.S. Figure Skating will either enter 3 disciplines in the
    free skate/free dance or withdraw from participating in
    the Team Event (if less than three disciplines).
     If the top-ranked athlete/team opts out of competing in the Team
    Event, the second ranked athlete/team will have the option of
    competing in no segments, both segments or only one segment of the
    team event.

    If the first and second-ranked skaters/teams opt out of competing
    in the Team Event, the third-ranked skater/team will have the
    option to compete in both segments of the Team Event. If the
    third-ranked skater/team declines to participate in the Team
    Event and U.S. Figure Skating cannot field a complete Team (four
    disciplines), U.S. Figure Skating will either enter 3 disciplines or
    withdraw from participating in the Team Event (if less than three
    disciplines).

    ...Hence, there will be no
    announcement of the skaters performing in the free skate until after the
    conclusion of the short programs/short dance to ensure that all athletes are
    healthy and/or there are no last minute substitutions or changes that must be
    made by the team staff to the original slate approved by the ICMS and
    International Committee.


    So... ? Does anyone get from that if the "nominated" athletes are from those actually on the "non-team Olympic team"... or can the "nominated athletes" that they pull the "Team Event" athletes from, also include the alternates for the "non-team Olympic team". I get the impression that the team event athlete entries (at least for the US) will consist of the athletes named to the actual non-team Olympic team. Do others get this impression?

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    The USFS document states up front that: "The athletes/teams nominated to compete in the Team Event must be from the nominated athletes/teams for the 2014 Olympic Team in the individual disciplines."
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isnít every four years, itís every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    The USFS document states up front that: "The athletes/teams nominated to compete in the Team Event must be from the nominated athletes/teams for the 2014 Olympic Team in the individual disciplines."
    Right. Does nominated include those listed as alternates/substitutes for the individual events, though? Or does nominated mean only those who are given the spots in the individual events?

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    My understanding is that it's the latter (those given the spots in the individual events).

    The Chinese federation's Olympic selection criteria/guidelines are posted in the Chinese news thread and translated/summarized in the thread here: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post3970854
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    I feel like I'm missing another thread, but has anyone tallied who the leading 10 teams are after 2013 worlds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    I feel like I'm missing another thread, but has anyone tallied who the leading 10 teams are after 2013 worlds?
    Earlier calculations and discussion took place in this thread back in March: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post3876026
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    Re-posting from the Aussie Skating thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpin Bean View Post
    According to the Australian Olympic Committee website the places qualified in Germany [2013 Nebelhorn Trophy] belong to the skater/skaters who qualify them with alternates only being used if there is a withdrawal. http://corporate.olympics.com.au/fil..._June2013_.pdf
    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    I feel like I'm missing another thread, but has anyone tallied who the leading 10 teams are after 2013 worlds?
    You have now : http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post3998954

    ETA link to U.S. Figure Skating's 2014 Olympic Athlete Selection Procedures document, Amended June 20, 2013: http://www.usfigureskating.org/conte...cSelection.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochelle View Post
    Right. Does nominated include those listed as alternates/substitutes for the individual events, though? Or does nominated mean only those who are given the spots in the individual events?
    No, only those who are submitted by 27 January as participating in the individual events. If an alternate for an individual event replaces an individual event skater before the Team Event, then that replacement skater can skate the Team Event, and the replaced skater can no longer skate the individual event.

    pingu published a link to a translation of excerpts from a new press conference, and this explains how the Ice Dancers will be chosen (emphasis mine):

    Olga Gilardini, Anna Cappellini and Luca Lanotte's tutor, attended the press conference too...:


    Given the recent circumstances that happened in Italian ice dance – CharlŤne Guignard obtained the Italian citizenship – the Federation has decided to set different standards in order to guarantee a fair selection of the ice dancers who will compete at the major international competitions of the season: European Championships, Olympic Winter Games, World Championships. We will take into account the Technical Elements Score of three national competitions: the First National Competition – held in Bolzano – a test skate in November and the National Championships in Merano in December. We will sum up this scores with the best TES of two international competitions skated by the ice dancers during the first part of this season. The final standings will ratify the participants of the major three international competitions of the season. The Technical Panel of the three national competitions will be strictly balanced, in order to obtain the highest objectivity.
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    U.S. Figure Skating's 2014 Olympic Athlete Selection Procedures document, Amended June 20, 2013: http://www.usfigureskating.org/conte...cSelection.pdf
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    So, after reading the U.S. team selection document, does anyone want to venture a guess whom the U.S. team might consist of?

    The ranking order of the disciplines by the ICMS will be based on which
    disciplines have the best opportunity to medal and/or provide the strongest
    field in the individual events and the ranking order of the athletes/teams will
    be used to determine which athletes will have priority in competing in the Team
    Event. The highest ranked disciplines will have the first option of substitution
    in the Team Event if the U.S. qualifies for the free skate.

    The nominations of the participants for the Team Event will be made with the
    highest-ranked discipline selected first, the second-ranked discipline selected
    second, the third-ranked discipline selected third and the fourth-ranked
    discipline selected fourth.


    Our highest-ranked discipline will be ice dance. So, Meryl/Charlie should have the option to skate the SD only, with the second-ranked dancers skating the FD. If that occurs, I'm thinking the team might consist of:

    Ashley Wagner
    Denney/Coughlin
    Men's Nationals winner (hard to predict: Adam Rippon?)
    Davis/White
    Shibutanis




    If U.S. Figure Skating qualifies two athletes/teams in a discipline (men, ladies,
    pairs, dance) for the 2014 Olympic Winter Games, the top ranked athlete/team
    determined by the ICMS and approved by the International Committee will
    have the option to compete in no segments, both segments or only one segment
    based on their intent to compete form to participate in the Team Event.

     If the top-ranked and second-ranked athletes/teams decline to
    participate in the Team Event and U.S. Figure Skating cannot field a
    complete Team (four disciplines) for the Team Event at the 2014
    Olympic Winter Games, U.S. Figure Skating will either enter 3
    disciplines or withdraw from participating in the Team Event (if less
    than three disciplines).


    There's apparently no requirement for skaters to participate in the team event. It seems to be completely their decision. This makes me wonder if their intent-to-compete forms will be made public (so we know who wishes to compete and who doesn't).

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    There are three possible answers on the intent to compete form: yes, no/no, and no to SD/SP, but will reconsider for the FS/FD. Since USFS will know in December, what are the chances that the answers won't impact selection of the team, especially if it's close, and creating the strongest team for the TE is a stated goal? Only D/W could get away with a no/no, IMO.

    Once the US commits to the TE, there are two possibilities: they enter athletes in three events, or four. If they don't have enough Yeses for the SP/SD and enter three, the athletes in the fourth who all refused the TE are barred from the individual events. If they enter four in the SP/SD and make the final, there are two potential possibilities: either they have enough yeses and reconsideration to enter four into the final, or possibly they only enter three*. If the latter is possible, then at least the skater(s)/teams(s) who didn't do the SD/SP are barred from the individual event; the Sochi TE document is unclear whether the skater/team who already did the SP/SD would be barred if there is a theoretical option another skater/team in the final. For example, if one Pair did the SP, and had a sore ankle, and the other team refused to skate or had food poisoning, it's not clear if both teams would be barred or just the second.

    *The latter scenario -- four in the short, three in the free -- isn't addressed in the Sochi TE document. Neither are substitutions within the event, for illness or injury, or what happens if a single athlete in a discipline becomes ill or injured and the substitute can't get there in time for the final.
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    The team event (TE) rules are pretty confusing. I hope the federation does a decent job of explaining it all to the skaters.

    I don't see the incentive for skaters to say no/no unless they are potential individual medalists. D/W could say no/no, wanting to keep their programs fresh for the dance event. I could see the rationale for that, although I hope they do the team event. There could be an argument for Denney/Coughlin to skate only one portion of the TE, as pairs is the next event. But, since they will be probably the lowest-ranked discipline, they might not be given that option.

    Also to be considered is the strategy of other teams. Let's say Canada enters Chan in the SP, but not the LP. And that V/M does both programs. Would the U.S. need Davis/White in the FD to hold up the overall team score against what V/M puts up for Canada?? There are so many variables.

    I agree the intent-to-compete answers may well play a role in the team selection. How could they not. For this reason, I hope they are made public.

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    The FS/FD paricipants have to be submitted to the ISU immediately and concurrently after the last SP/SD. It's not like a draft where decisions are made sequentially and one team can make its decision based on the other teams' committed choices.

    There's no ISU requirement for any country to announce its FS/FD participants ahead of time or even to choose them before the last minute. Skaters might leak the info, but what if V/M and D/W both agree with Zoueva that it's best for them to do the SD only, but based on the results of the first three disciplines, they get excited about the event and change their minds/are persuaded/see the team gold in sight after the results of most of the SP's/SD's? It really doesn't cost D/W much in goodwill to say, no/maybe, unless Zoueva forces a no/no. Then it could be asymmetrical with V/M, since Skate Canada hasn't stated publicly at least that there's an intent form that must be signed.
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    Apparently, the Norwegian Olympic Committee is requiring Anne Line Gjersem to finish top 8 in ladies singles at Europeans in Budapest next month (she was 22nd in 2013) to be named to the Olympic team.

    The Belgian Olympic Committee is requiring Jorik Hendrickx to be top 12 at Europeans for Olympics consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    Apparently, the Norwegian Olympic Committee is requiring Anne Line Gjersem to finish top 8 in ladies singles at Europeans in Budapest next month (she was 22nd in 2013) to be named to the Olympic team.

    The Belgian Olympic Committee is requiring Jorik Hendrickx to be top 12 at Europeans for Olympics consideration.
    What is wrong with these OC's?? Hundreds of thousands of $$ are spen and years of hard work invested so that they can then impose this criteria? Was this criteria known well in advance or are they just now pulling it from out of their a$$? What do they hope to accomplish by being unrealistic and denying the spot that was EARNED by their skater??

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