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    Japan Federation announced the standard for selecting Japan representative of Sochi

    This is an article in "Mainichi Shimbun" in Japan.
    Translating to English from Japanese.

    Japan Skating Federation announced the standard for selecting the representative of Sochi Olympics.
    June 19th, 2013

    In June 19th, Japan skating Federation announced the standard for selecting the Japan representative of Figure Skating, Speed Skating and Short Track of Sochi Olympics.

    The Figure Skating:
    Among the each three entries of men and ladies which Japan had already earned, the first entry is fixed on the winner of Japan Nationals of December of this year.
    The second entry is selected among the players who are the second place of Japan Nationals, the third place of Japan Nationals and the highest place of Japanese who is upper than third place in the Grand Prix final of December.
    The third entry is selected among the player who leaked out from the 2nd selection, the upper three Japanese of world standing in the time of the end of Japan Nationals and the upper three Japanese of ISU season best score.

    Speed Skating:
    omission.
    Short Track:
    omission.

    As for figure skating, Japan Skating Federation decided to implement the training camp of September and the training camp of February just before Olympics, in the Armenia where the user-friendliness of the traffic to Sochi is good and the environment resembles a real venue.

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    Japan Skating Federation announced the standard for selecting the representative of Sochi Olympics.
    http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...000079-mai-spo

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    It would be possible to be a surprise Nationals silver medalist and be passed over for the second and third spots.

    The selection process favors those with two GP spots in the fall, since they provide the bulk of WS points for the season through Japanese Nationals and give the skaters a chance to qualify for GPF and win gold or silver there, and, if this means the ISU SB score for 2013-14, a chance to qualify that way.

    It looks like the Japanese Fed has found a way to create a selection pool of their top international competitors from the Fall, with some past results factored into the GP selections and WS, but without using a strict points formula to obligate them to choose anyone but an age-eligible national champion.
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    I believe this is the criteria document that was published on the JSF site today (June 19, 2013): http://skatingjapan.or.jp/image_data...senkokijun.pdf
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    so miki should better win nationals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    I believe this is the criteria document that was published on the JSF site today (June 19, 2013): http://skatingjapan.or.jp/image_data...senkokijun.pdf
    Translating to English from Japanese as for the said part in the JSF official document.

    3. The selecting method of the representative of Olympics
    ( Men and Ladies single have 3 entries each. The pair and the ice dance may have a maximum of 1 entry with the result of the preliminary competition).

    The selection of Men and Ladies single
    In the time of the ending of Japan Nationals, it is decided by the following selecting method from among the Olympic participation qualifier and it is recommended to the figure skating committee.
    ① As for the 1st entry, it selects the winner of Japan Nationals.
    ② The 2nd entry selects from among the 2nd place of Japan Nationals, the 3rd place of Japan Nationals and the highest rank Japanese on the podium of the Grand Prix final.
    ③ The 3rd entry selects from among the players who leaked out from the selection of ②, the upper three Japanese in the world standing at the time of the ending of Japan nationals and the upper three Japanese of ISU season best score.

    The selection of the pair and the ice dance
    It selects from among the winner of Japan Nationals, the highest rank Japanese in the world standing and the highest rank Japanese in the season best score, at the time of the ending of Japan Nationals.

    ※ The Olympic participation qualifier
    ・ The one who satisfies the age that the Olympics can be participated in.
    ・ The one who wins a minimum point for the Olympic participation of the current year which ISU specifies by the time of the Japan Nationals.
    ・ The one who participates in the Japan Nationals which is the final selection meeting.

    4. The selecting method of the player of the Olympics team competition.

    The selection of Men and Ladies single.
    According to the following standard, it selects a skater of short program and a skater of free skating for the Olympic team competition from among the single player who was selected as the Olympics representative.

    ・The skater of short program of Olympic team competition.
    The highest rank person of the short program of ISU season best score at the time of the ending of Japan Nationals.
    ・The skater of free skating of Olympic team competition.
    The highest rank person of the free skating of ISU season best score at the time of the ending of Japan Nationals.

    But, if the highest rank person of the short program and the highest rank person of the free skating is an identical player, as for ISU season best score, the skater of free skating shall be the player of the second highest mark of ISU season best score.

    The selection of the pair and the ice dance.
    The representative of the individual competition is selected just as it is.
    Last edited by Akira Andrea; 06-19-2013 at 09:20 PM.

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    ^Thanks Akira for the translation.

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    Among the men, there could be six Japanese men in contention for the three spots after Japanese Nationals: Takahashi, Hanyu, Machida, Mura, Oda, and Kozuka, all based on a combination of WS, 2013-14 GP results, and Japanese Nationals, because there's no pre-established cumulative point value based on scores and/or placements.
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    I actually think their system is quite fair. It takes into account that the favourites may have an off day as well. With the depth of Japan's senior fields, it can and has happened in the past that big name skaters have finished off the podium and still gone on to compete in major events. The men's competition in particular is going to be a TOUGH one.

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    The lady's competition will be tough, too. There could be five for three spots: Mao, Kanako, Akiko, Satoko, and Miki, as JSF made a path for Ando. Mao and Kanako might get the spots, IMO, and the third spot will go to Akiko, Miki, or Satoko? I'm thrilled for Japan Nats.

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    This is an article in “Sports Nippon” in Japan.
    Translating to English from Japanese.

    As for the selection of the Olympics representative, the player must go out of selection if having been in trouble, there isn't any safety net.
    June 20th, 2013

    The biggest enemy to the dream stage is trouble. Japan Skating Federation opened a board of directors in the Tokyo Metropolitan area and released the selecting method of the representative for Sochi Olympics etc.

    (Translator's note: As for the detail of the selecting method, I omitted it because it overlaps with the above-posted article.)

    In case of Vancouver Olympics, there was "the relief plan", which was saying, "The player is sometimes added to the selection object even if the player who has results within 6th of the Worlds in the past doesn't meet a condition in the injury and so on", but this time, there is not any safety net.
    Ito the chairperson of figure skating department explained that the player isn't in time for Olympics if suffering the injury so as to be not able to participate to Japan Nationals.
    For Asada Mao (22, Chukyo University) who is expressing the retirement from eligible skater after the ending of next season, too, it becomes important to keep a good condition.

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    As for the selection of the Olympics representative, the player must go out of selection if having been in trouble, there isn't any safety net.
    http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...4-spnannex-spo

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    That's a very cool way to determine the Team Event participants. If Japan is in the final, they will have different singles skaters skating the FS.
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    Translating to English from Japanese as for the said part in the JSF official document.

    3. The selecting method of the representative of Olympics
    ( Men and Ladies single have 3 entries each. The pair and the ice dance may have a maximum of 1 entry with the result of the preliminary competition).

    The selection of Men and Ladies single
    In the time of the ending of Japan Nationals, it is decided by the following selecting method from among the Olympic participation qualifier and it is recommended to the figure skating committee.
    ① As for the 1st entry, it selects the winner of Japan Nationals.
    ② The 2nd entry selects from among the 2nd place of Japan Nationals, the 3rd place of Japan Nationals and the highest rank Japanese on the podium of the Grand Prix final.
    ③ The 3rd entry selects from among the players who leaked out from the selection of ②, the upper three Japanese in the world standing at the time of the ending of Japan nationals and the upper three Japanese of ISU season best score.
    Grand Prix Final men's qualifiers:
    2 Tatsuki Machida - #7 in ISU World Standings before the GPF
    3 Yuzuru Hanyu - #1 in WS
    7 Nobunari Oda - #17 in WS
    [WD from GPF: Daisuke Takahashi - #3 in WS]

    Takahito Mura - #9 in WS
    Takahiko Kozuka - #15 in WS

    ISU Season Bests Total Scores 2013/2014 (before GP Final)
    2 268.31 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2013 09.11.2013
    3 265.38 Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2013 19.10.2013
    4 263.59 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2013 16.11.2013
    5 262.98 Nobunari ODA JPN Nebelhorn Trophy 2013 28.09.2013
    12 230.95 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2013 19.10.2013
    14 227.22 Takahito MURA JPN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2013 09.11.2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Halifax View Post
    I actually think their system is quite fair. It takes into account that the favourites may have an off day as well.

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    Even with Takahashi withdrawing from GPF, his status as the second highest-ranked Japanese man in WS is safe, since the most incremental points Machida can gain is 400 if he wins GPF, and he's 645 points behind Takahashi. (Theoretically, he can be bumped to fourth at GPF in ISU SB standings.) Machida is safely in third in WS points over Oda, who can gain a maximum of 476 by winning GPF, and even were Machida to withdraw and Oda to win another Senior B before Japanese Nats (hypothetically), Oda still wouldn't catch Machida. He's similarly safe from Mura overtaking him with two (hypothetical) Senior B wins.

    For spot 3, top three WS will remain Hanyu, Takahashi, and Machida, regardless of what happens at or outside GPF. The top three SB scores will be between Takahashi, Hanyu, Machida, and Oda. 5.33 points separate them before GPF.

    For the TE, the top SP scores this year for Japanese Men are:
    • 95.55-Takahashi (NHK)
    • 95.37-Hanyu (TEB)
    • 91.18-Machida (SA)
    • 87.34-Oda (Nebelhorn)


    For the FS:
    175.64-Oda (Nebelhorn)
    174.20-Machida (SA)
    172.76-Takahashi (NHK)
    168.22-Hanyu (TEB)

    For Ladies, WS currently are:
    Suzuki (3533)
    Asada (3501) -- the minimum she can get at GPF is 472 if she finishes and all six Ladies skate.
    Murakami (2547)
    Imai (1824)
    Miyahara (1776)

    The SB scores are:
    207.59-Asada (NHK)
    193.75-Suzuki (SC)
    170.21-Miyahara (NHK)
    165.95-Murkahami (CoC)

    For the TE, the Top SP scores are:
    73.18-Asada (SA)
    66.03-Suzuki (NHK)
    59.79-Ando (Nebelhorn)
    58.39-Miyahara (NHK)

    The Top FS scores are:
    136.33-Asada (NHK)
    127.99-Suzuki (SC)
    113.22-Murakami (RC)
    111.82-Miyahara (NHK)

    Of course, the FS will be moot if Japan doesn't make it to the finals.
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    I have a question. Please forgive me if this has been asked and answered in another thread. Would there be a chance that Takahashi would be named to the team even if he couldn't compete at Japanese nationals due to injury?
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    I would think so. He is the big male figure skating star in Japan. If he is fit enough, a way will be found to get him on the team to skate in Sochi.
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    Interesting. I think many of us already assumed Daisuke and Hanyu to be in the team. Third place will be fought between Machida and Oda.
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    It's built into the selection process for any skater in the Top 3 WS and Top 3 SB to be chosen for the third spot, regardless of how the skater places at Nationals or if s/he skates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    Interesting. I think many of us already assumed Daisuke and Hanyu to be in the team. Third place will be fought between Machida and Oda.
    Yup. All these so-called placements and points are...pointless. Dai and Hanyu are guaranteed, regardless. The rest will fight for one spot.

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    Kozuka His only hope is winning Japanese Nationals

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