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    Ummm... so did Camerlengo and Krylova run out of ideas? Because the FD that H&D skated was essentially a less intricate, less interesting rip-off of Crone and Poirier's last Olympic FD.

    They even do the move where she's draped over his leg, expect C&P actually incorporated turns into their version. I'd might actually consider suing if I was Carol Lane. Can you sue someone for stealing a FS program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by casken View Post
    Ummm... so did Camerlengo and Krylova run out of ideas? Because the FD that H&D skated was essentially a less intricate, less interesting rip-off of Crone and Poirier's last Olympic FD.

    They even do the move where she's draped over his leg, expect C&P actually incorporated turns into their version. I'd might actually consider suing if I was Carol Lane. Can you sue someone for stealing a FS program?
    That combo spiral thingy is actually a Torvill/Dean move. Most things in figure skating are reinterpretations, from signature moves (Finn step, the Bielman) to music. I don't see plagiarism here. It's a different set of elements and focus. Of course, that is subjective. I think C/P's is "trickier" and more histrionic than romantic. H/D's program is understated, not easier, and very musical. The accents of the music are beautifully highlighted with the placement of the elements and the transitions.

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    Not that I love the practice of recycling other people's choreography, but the reality is if Carol Lane (or Chris Dean) can sue Krylova et al., no one in figure skating is safe from lawsuits. Everyone "rips off" everyone else's music cuts and choreography and lifts etc. Figure skating is a world of imitations. It's common practice.

    In this case, the H/D free dance is more likely an homage to the C/P free dance a few years ago. If they intend to "steal" without acknowledgment, they could have used the moves with a different piece of music, which also is common practice in skating. I regard the H/D free dance as an intentional reinterpretation of C/P's work. Even their costumes sort of kind of recall another C/P free dance ("Eleanor Rigby" which is a self-recycling product of Chris Dean).

    At least one can say that the Krylova/Carmalengo camp has good taste and often "adapts" good choreography, rather than repeating lame precedents.

    As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. (Those who flatter themselves imitate themselves.)
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    Interesting conversation. I don't get a C/P vibe at all. The haunting melody actually reminds me of D/W's Eleanor Rigby.

    I found this fan video of H/D. Love it!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzh5Cynf99A

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    Interview with Maia and Alex Shibutani

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    Quote Originally Posted by semogal View Post
    Interesting conversation. I don't get a C/P vibe at all. The haunting melody actually reminds me of D/W's Eleanor Rigby.

    I found this fan video of H/D. Love it!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzh5Cynf99A
    No, me neither. I do love this music though and it's obvious they do too. That's what makes the program special for me, they're out there really living out every turn the melody takes. What's even more exciting is that it's just the beginning of the season. I can't wait to see this live in Boston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    After seeing Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt and H/D, I can kinda see why USFS gives Skate America to H/D . K/GS's short dance needed more work on it. :
    I have been unable to watch anything for a few weeks and way behind, but finally catching up on short programs now. I must say I like K/G-S's SD more than H/D's, so I hope K/G-S can improve upon it by US Nationals. Excited to see C/B's and the Shibs' SD for comparison. I like the choice of the Puppini Sisters, so interested to see what version of Irving Berlin's composition Igor used for the mix. As for the Shibs, I am so tired of anything by Michael Buble, but whatever it is, it will be perfect for them.

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    Semogal-Looked up that video and found this one also-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx-irI-MRDA


    Quote Originally Posted by semogal View Post
    Interesting conversation. I don't get a C/P vibe at all. The haunting melody actually reminds me of D/W's Eleanor Rigby.

    I found this fan video of H/D. Love it!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzh5Cynf99A

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyplayer2 View Post
    Semogal-Looked up that video and found this one also-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx-irI-MRDA
    Thanks! I am really crushing on H/D this year.

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    Chock and Bates set in 2nd after the SD at the Finlandia Trophy with a score of 53.34 with a 1pt deduction for a fall:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdWINzEATWo

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    Quote Originally Posted by semogal View Post
    Chock and Bates set in 2nd after the SD at the Finlandia Trophy with a score of 53.34 with a 1pt deduction for a fall:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdWINzEATWo
    They lost seven points on the twizzles, so they would've had a nice score if they'd completed the element. I really like the spirit of the program and the way they performed it!
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    I do too! They seem to be repeating the characters that worked well for them in last year's SD - stage door Johnny and the Performer.

    I wonder whether there was some ice problem. There were a lot of bad twizzles today.

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    I am usually on the same page with you ladies when it comes to liking programs but not this time. I really dislike C/B's music. To me there is a disconnect between the words and the finnstep. Maybe I will like it better if I turn the sound off.

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    Do the Parsons get JGPF qualify for two 2nd-place finishes?

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    I think the C/B sd works well enough. It's cohesive and has a theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jun Y View Post
    Do the Parsons get JGPF qualify for two 2nd-place finishes?
    It's likely but not definite until after next week's final JGP in Estonia. In the Kiss and Cry forum just now, oleada outlined a hypothetical scenario in which the Parsons could end up below 6th among the qualifiers:
    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    If Morozova/Zhirnov or Moore/Klaber win, Nazarova/Nikitin are second with a score of 130.12 or more (their PB is 135.22) and Yanovskaya/Mozgov are third, then the Parsons are out. ... I think it's unlikely, but stranger things have happened with junior skaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    It's likely but not definite until after next week's final JGP in Estonia. In the Kiss and Cry forum just now, oleada outlined a hypothetical scenario in which the Parsons could end up below 6th among the qualifiers :
    Thanks, Sylvia. I'm crossing my fingers for them!
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    Here are the performances from Aldridge/Eaton at the ON Trophy. They placed 6th with a score of 130.49 (78.99 FD and 51.50 SD):

    SD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY9OFw7F0DE
    FD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3BOgnOC3T4

    On the FD link their dance starts about 3:10
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    Quote Originally Posted by semogal View Post
    Here are the performances from Aldridge/Eaton at the ON Trophy. They placed 6th with a score of 130.49 (78.99 FD and 51.50 SD):

    SD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY9OFw7F0DE
    FD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3BOgnOC3T4

    On the FD link their dance starts about 3:10
    Nice free dance, even though I can barely hear the music. I appreciate their effort to take on a challenging genre.

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    Here is Chock/Bates FD from Finlandia Trophy. They were second with a score of 89.72. Overall score of 143.06

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JXQHFDTk_Y

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