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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazmeen View Post
    Sarah went for that college degree her family kept touting and has done nothing with it and now seems to want the skating fame and fortune she didn't have (or her family didn't allow in their "our daughter the academic" dream). She now looks foolish skating programs with spirals, crossovers and spins and no jumps - the average pre-preliminary level skater does far more than she does on the ice in a program. She had one, brief shining moment in 2002, and that's really all she had. And she didn't get the chance to really enjoy it or capitalize on it.
    I have this nightmare that Sarah Hughes will show up again somewhere and do that Bob Fosse number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazmeen View Post
    I really have to tip the scales to Tara - she loved skating, it was obvious, and overall, she did far more with her skating and her competitions and took it as far as she could before injury took it out. Sarah let it near completely fall apart after her Olympics.
    I agree with this observation. I never felt like Sarah loved skating the way some of her peers did. Sure she had outside activities, and that was great, but to me it goes further than that. I read once that Robin talked her out of retiring in the summer of 2000 before she finally relented and returned to the ice. She had just finished 5th at worlds and was 2 years away from the Olympics and someone had to convince her not to retire. That seemed strange to me. Of course, there may have been more at play there.

    But I disagree strongly that she had one brief shining moment. That sounds more like wishful thinking or sour grapes. I was never her fan but I saw her personally receive roaring standing ovations several times: 1999 Skate America short, 2000 Skate America long, 2001 Skate America long, 2000 nationals short and the 1999 winter proam. And by roaring, I mean most people were standing and many were hooting, hollering and stamping their feet. Then there were competitions I didn't witness in person but remember her getting big applause and/or standing ovations: 99 worlds long program, 2000 worlds short program and 2001 worlds long program. She skated many, many "clean" programs and was drowned with cheers at the end. Never a fan and never stood myself but I remember those moments well.
    Last edited by fenway2; 06-14-2013 at 09:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    And they weren't thematically or artistically much different from one another, so if you saw one, you got the gist of the others.
    IMO, this pretty much describes Michelle's programs.

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    I don't especially LIKE either, but let me put it this way: I can, without trying, REMEMBER particular skates of Tara's. I might not adore her skating, and frankly I don't think EITHER girl was especially pretty, but Lipinski had a spark and energy that made her engaging as a performer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duane View Post
    IMO, this pretty much describes Michelle's programs.
    True to some (great) degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenway2 View Post
    I agree with this observation. I never felt like Sarah loved skating the way some of her peers did. Sure she had outside activities, and that was great, but to me it goes further than that. I read once that Robin talked her out of retiring in the summer of 2000 before she finally relented and returned to the ice. She had just finished 5th at worlds and was 2 years away from the Olympics and someone had to convince her not to retire. That seemed strange to me. Of course, there may have been more at play there.

    But I disagree strongly that she had one brief shining moment. That sounds more like wishful thinking or sour grapes. I was never her fan but I saw her personally receive roaring standing ovations several times: 1999 Skate America short, 2000 Skate America long, 2001 Skate America long, 2000 nationals short and the 1999 winter proam. And by roaring, I mean most people were standing and many were hooting, hollering and stamping their feet. Then there were competitions I didn't witness in person but remember her getting big applause and/or standing ovations: 99 worlds long program, 2000 worlds short program and 2001 worlds long program. She skated many, many "clean" programs and was drowned with cheers at the end. Never a fan and never stood myself but I remember those moments well.
    Relative to Tara she had only one shining moment. Tara quit at 15 and fit in Nationals Champion, 2 time Grand Prix final Champion in the same year, Olympic Champion, World Champion. All won in very memorable fashion to boot. On top of that her exciting debut in 1996 and making Worlds at only 15, and her great comeback skate at Nationals 98 after falling in the short. Sarah has nothing close to that string of memorable moments in her career. She won only 3 international events and one was a C level tournament top skaters never enter after they are 14. She never won a U.S Senior title, which Tara managed well before her driving license and would likely have managed quite a few more if she continued even with Kwan to battle, while Sarah could have continued and probably still never won her own Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustafinabars View Post
    Relative to Tara she had only one shining moment. Tara quit at 15 and fit in Nationals Champion, 2 time Grand Prix final Champion in the same year, Olympic Champion, World Champion. All won in very memorable fashion to boot. On top of that her exciting debut in 1996 and making Worlds at only 15, and her great comeback skate at Nationals 98 after falling in the short. Sarah has nothing close to that string of memorable moments in her career. She won only 3 international events and one was a C level tournament top skaters never enter after they are 14. She never won a U.S Senior title, which Tara managed well before her driving license and would likely have managed quite a few more if she continued even with Kwan to battle, while Sarah could have continued and probably still never won her own Nationals.
    Tara made the Worlds team at 13 and won Worlds at 14.Sarah also made the Worlds team at 13. While Tara's eligible career was a short one, she has quite a resume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanette View Post
    Tara made the Worlds team at 13 and won Worlds at 14.Sarah also made the Worlds team at 13. While Tara's eligible career was a short one, she has quite a resume.
    Tara at her peak beat Michelle Kwan 4 times out of 5. She was an incredible skater and the level of skater Sarah could only dream of being. She had perfect pencil jumps with great air position, rotation, ascent, descent, landing position and flow out. Her triples were even way better than Sarah, even the flutz was a way better jump overall than that thing Sarah called her triple f(lutz). She skated with great speed and assurance, and her pro routines showed her huge artistic potential. Had she continued she would have been artistically a true 5.9 skater easily by 2002.

    Sarah was a good skater, and had a fine career herself, but she was no prodigy like Tara Lipinski. She went to Worlds in 1999 only due to a younger skater who beat her at Nationals being too young by the rules. Had her Olympic win not happened she probably wouldnt have ever won a bigger title than a regular grand prix, not a Nationals or Worlds ever, even if she continued skating until 2006 (or beyond which is very unlikely with COP which was bad for her skating to begin with getting tougher around then).

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    Hughes or Lipinski? Whose skating do you like more?

    Cannot care less, both of them. At least I was glad they've beaten kwawn when it counts ...

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    I never understood Sarah.
    She seemed as a type of athlete that was just getting into liking what she was capable of. And that is when she turned her back to skating.
    With Tara there was never doubt where she would rather be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    I might not adore her skating, and frankly I don't think EITHER girl was especially pretty,
    Does the Winter Olympics include a beauty contest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by orientalplane View Post
    Does the Winter Olympics include a beauty contest?
    Whether or not the Olympic judges score based on beauty and looks, some fans do. Well most fans do. Michelle Kwan was repeatedly in People magazine's most beautiful people list. That I know this is sad, but it's a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIronLady View Post
    Whether or not the Olympic judges score based on beauty and looks, some fans do. Well most fans do. Michelle Kwan was repeatedly in People magazine's most beautiful people list. That I know this is sad, but it's a fact.
    Repeatedly? No. I think Michelle was in People's Most Beautiful Issue just once and only following a big letter campaign from her fans. I know because her fans kept emailing me a form template to send to People Magazine demanding they include her in their 1999 issue and the magazine finally did. While I love Michelle, I felt there were better ways to spend my time than accuse People of being racist if they didn't select her. It was Katarina Witt who was in it more than once. Lu Chen also made the issue the year she controversially lost worlds to Michelle. I too am surprised by all the references to looks when comparing which skaters were better. My two favorite skaters are Michelle and Tara. Neither was the prettiest skater of their time or is even classically pretty (countdown before an irate fan jumps in to argue but it's my opinion so ) but they are beautiful to me for reasons that go much further than their physical looks. And the judge snever cared that they weren't the prettiest girls in the competition when they skated, so I don't know why that's even entered the debate here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenway2 View Post
    Repeatedly? No. I think Michelle was in People's Most Beautiful Issue just once and only following a big letter campaign from her fans. I know because her fans kept emailing me a form template to send to People Magazine demanding they include her in their 1999 issue and the magazine finally did. While I love Michelle, I felt there were better ways to spend my time than accuse People of being racist if they didn't select her. It was Katarina Witt who was in it more than once. Lu Chen also made the issue the year she controversially lost worlds to Michelle. I too am surprised by all the references to looks when comparing which skaters were better. My two favorite skaters are Michelle and Tara. Neither was the prettiest skater of their time or is even classically pretty (countdown before an irate fan jumps in to argue but it's my opinion so ) but they are beautiful to me for reasons that go much further than their physical looks. And the judge snever cared that they weren't the prettiest girls in the competition when they skated, so I don't know why that's even entered the debate here.
    That's interesting. I am as big a Kwan fan as there ever was and I never knew about any e-mail campaign to have her in People Magazine, I never received any e-mails, templates, etc.
    Last edited by kwanette; 06-16-2013 at 12:05 PM.

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    Consider yourself lucky in that regard. I finally put filters on my AOL account to stop the insanity.

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    I think she got in legitimately. She also said something about having a flat butt I think in her profile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIronLady View Post
    I think she got in legitimately. She also said something about having a flat butt I think in her profile.
    What I'm saying is that some of her crazier fans were angry she wasn't chosen for the 98 issue and campaigned tirelessly for them to include her in their 99 issue. Their barrage of emails couldn't have gone unnoticed but they didn't have to choose her so that's something. I just disagreed with those fans' tactics. I have the issue somewhere and remember the flat butt comment and that she looked gorgeous in a candlelit profile shot. I'm sure People didn't regret their decision one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustafinabars View Post
    Tara at her peak beat Michelle Kwan 4 times out of 5. She was an incredible skater and the level of skater Sarah could only dream of being. She had perfect pencil jumps with great air position, rotation, ascent, descent, landing position and flow out. Her triples were even way better than Sarah, even the flutz was a way better jump overall than that thing Sarah called her triple f(lutz). She skated with great speed and assurance, and her pro routines showed her huge artistic potential. Had she continued she would have been artistically a true 5.9 skater easily by 2002.

    Sarah was a good skater, and had a fine career herself, but she was no prodigy like Tara Lipinski. She went to Worlds in 1999 only due to a younger skater who beat her at Nationals being too young by the rules. Had her Olympic win not happened she probably wouldnt have ever won a bigger title than a regular grand prix, not a Nationals or Worlds ever, even if she continued skating until 2006 (or beyond which is very unlikely with COP which was bad for her skating to begin with getting tougher around then).
    I just recently re-watched Sarah's Olympic LP and it was a lot better than I remembered. I then watched Tara's winning program as well- I think they are very difficult to compare because at the time, Tara was a co-favorite for gold and defending world champion. She had already "grown" into her style of skating. Sarah was still developing and really didn't own her style. I also agree with you on the quality of Tara's jumps.

    As for the level of competition and skating quality- I think it has gone down a lot and the level of consistency isn't there which is why Caro is in the medals with the kind of errors that she makes. I also think that under the 6.0 system there was more emphasis on a complete set of jumps. Now there seems to be more repetition in an effort to play the system and hide weaknesses. That's just my opinion based on what I saw in the ladies competition at worlds this year. I'll qualify my opinion that due to reduced television coverage and increased work load- and decreasing interest in the current crop of skaters, I don't consistently follow figure skating these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orientalplane View Post
    Does the Winter Olympics include a beauty contest?
    It sure helped Witt get those 5.9s and 5.8s for artistic impression

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    Gotta go with Hughes on this one, although her posture drove me nuts. I thought she was much more interesting than Tara. Also had the only illusion spin I could ever stand, and that's compared to everyone, I hate that move. Wonderful layback. Tara had zero sense of music, which I consider important to skating. Neither one of them had particularly great technique.

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