View Poll Results: Who is your favorite junior ladies world champion who had less senior success?

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  • Elena Ivanova

    2 1.98%
  • Sydne Vogel

    2 1.98%
  • Daria Timoshenko

    1 0.99%
  • Jennifer Kirk

    24 23.76%
  • Kristina Oblasova

    1 0.99%
  • Ann Patrice McDonough

    7 6.93%
  • Yukina Ota

    38 37.62%
  • Caroline Zhang

    17 16.83%
  • Rachael Flatt

    9 8.91%
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    I chose Yukina Ota. She might not have the best skating skills but I could watch her spin so elegantly and just glide across the ice all day long. There was something special in her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinhood View Post
    Yukina Ota was a gem. The crossovers, the ss, the fluidity of all her moooves, the musicality.. who cares about her underrotated jumps? Her layback was amazing as well
    I loved Yukina Ota! She flowed like water on the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essence_of_soy View Post
    I loved Cindy Bortz. What a firecracker.

    Apart from Ito, her 1987 winning free skate had better jump content than the top thee in the senior worlds division that year.
    Besides getting fatter, what held back Cindy Bortz? She seemed to decline in all areas of her skating from 1987 Jr Worlds to 1988 US Nationals.

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    My vote also goes to Laetitia. What a firecracker. It's a shame everyone always likes to point out her 1992 and 1998 Olympic free skate's as a means to talk her down. She was a total star!

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'etoile View Post
    I chose Yukina Ota. She might not have the best skating skills but I could watch her spin so elegantly and just glide across the ice all day long. There was something special in her.
    Nobody has that kind of fluidity without having great basic skating skills. Her problem was with the jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Halifax View Post
    My vote also goes to Laetitia... It's a shame everyone always likes to point out her 1992 and 1998 Olympic free skate's as a means to talk her down...
    We use that prostitute on crack program as a means too.

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    I voted for Jenny Kirk too. She had some lovely performances as a Sr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orientalplane View Post
    A lot of people have heard of her. She competed at Senior Worlds in 1995, finishing 16th. Her FS was especially memorable because she had a bad fall when attempting a double axel, and one of her blades cut her other leg quite deeply. She remained on the ice for a few seconds, then got up and completed her programme, by which time she was bleeding quite badly. She got a huge round of applause from the audience, and was then taken to hospital and had her wound stitched up.
    1995 Worlds was the first (and last!) time I watched skating on Eurosport and I remember the second warm-up group with Koiwai & Simone Lang. Both of them had freaky falls (Lang on a 3sal 3 toe sequence set-up) and then Koiwai cut herself pretty badly. It was very strange to see those in the same group. Did Kumiko ever get the harder triples like flip and lutz?

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    Just because it is an interesting topic...
    went to Wikipedia and pulled up the list of ladies medalists since the inception of World Jr Championships
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_J...onships#Ladies


    Year Location Gold Silver Bronze
    1976 France Megève : (1)United States Suzie Brasher (2) West Germany Garnet Ostermeier (3)United Kingdom Tracey Solomons
    1977 France Megève: (1) Canada Carolyn Skoczen (2) Austria Christa Jorda (3) Switzerland Corine Wyrsch
    1978 France Megève: (1) United States Jill Sawyer (2)Soviet Union Kira Ivanova (3) West Germany Petra Ernert
    1979 Germany Augsburg: (1) United States Elaine Zayak (2) West Germany Manuela Ruben (3)United States Jacki Farrell
    1980 France Megève: (1) United States Rosalynn Sumners (2) Canada Kay Thomson (3) East Germany Carola Paul
    1981 Canada London, Ontario: (1) United States Tiffany Chin (2)Soviet Union Marina Serova (3)Soviet Union Anna Antonova
    1982 Germany Oberstdorf: (1) East Germany Janina Wirth (2) West Germany Cornelia Tesch (3)Canada Elizabeth Manley
    1983 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Sarajevo: (1) East Germany Simone Koch (2)East Germany Karin Hendschke (3)Austria Parthena Sarafidis
    1984 Japan Sapporo: (1) East Germany Karin Hendschke (2) East Germany Simone Koch (3)Japan Midori Ito
    1985 United States Colorado Springs: (1) Soviet Union Tatiana Andreeva (2) West Germany Susanne Becher (3)Soviet Union Natalia Gorbenko
    1986 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Sarajevo: (1) Soviet Union Natalia Gorbenko (2) West Germany Susanne Becher (3)Canada Linda Florkevich
    1987 Canada Kitchener: (1) United States Cindy Bortz (2) West Germany Susanne Becher (3)Canada Shannon Allison
    1988 Australia Brisbane: (1) United States Kristi Yamaguchi (2)Japan Junko Yaginuma (3) Japan Yukiko Kashihara
    1989 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Sarajevo: (1) United States Jessica Mills (2)Japan Junko Yaginuma (3)France Surya Bonaly
    1990 United States Colorado Springs: (1) Japan Yuka Sato (2)France Surya Bonaly (3)East Germany Tanja Krienke
    1991 Hungary Budapest: (1) France Surya Bonaly (2) United States Lisa Ervin (3)China Chen Lu
    1992 Canada Hull: (1) France Laetitia Hubert (2) United States Lisa Ervin (3)China Chen Lu
    1993 South Korea Seoul: (1) Japan Kumiko Koiwai (2) United States Lisa Ervin (3)Germany Tanja Szewczenko
    1994 United States Colorado Springs: (1) United States Michelle Kwan (2) Hungary Krisztina Czakó (3)Russia Irina Slutskaya
    1995 Hungary Budapest: (1) Russia Irina Slutskaya (2) Russia Elena Ivanova (3)Hungary Krisztina Czakó
    1996 Australia Brisbane: (1) Russia Elena Ivanova (2) Russia Elena Pingacheva (3)Russia Nadezhda Kanaeva
    1997 South Korea Seoul: (1) United States Sydne Vogel (2) Russia Elena Sokolova (3)Russia Elena Ivanova
    1998 Canada Saint John: (1) Russia Julia Soldatova (2) Russia Elena Ivanova (3)Russia Viktoria Volchkova
    1999 Croatia Zagreb: (1) Russia Daria Timoshenko (2)United States Sarah Hughes (3)Russia Viktoria Volchkova
    2000 Germany Oberstdorf: (1) United States Jennifer Kirk (2) United States Deanna Stellato (3)Switzerland Sarah Meier
    2001 Bulgaria Sofia: (1) Russia Kristina Oblasova (2) United States Ann Patrice McDonough (3)Finland Susanna Pöykiö
    2002 Norway Hamar: (1) United States Ann Patrice McDonough (2) Japan Yukari Nakano (3)Japan Miki Ando
    2003 Czech Republic Ostrava: (1) Japan Yukina Ota (2) Japan Miki Ando Italy (3)Carolina Kostner
    2004 Netherlands The Hague: (1) Japan Miki Ando (2) United States Kimmie Meissner (3)United States Katy Taylor
    2005 Canada Kitchener: (1) Japan Mao Asada (2) South Korea Kim Yuna (3) United States Emily Hughes
    2006 Slovenia Ljubljana: (1) South Korea Kim Yuna (2) Japan Mao Asada (3)United States Christine Zukowski
    2007 Germany Oberstdorf: (1) United States Caroline Zhang (2) United States Mirai Nagasu (3) United States Ashley Wagner
    2008 Bulgaria Sofia: (1) United States Rachael Flatt (2) United States Caroline Zhang (3) United States Mirai Nagasu
    2009 Bulgaria Sofia: (1) Russia Alena Leonova (2) United States Caroline Zhang (3) United States Ashley Wagner
    2010 Netherlands The Hague: (1) Japan Kanako Murakami (2) United States Agnes Zawadzki (3) Russia Polina Agafonova
    2011 South Korea Gangneung: (1) Russia Adelina Sotnikova (2) Russia Elizaveta Tuktamysheva (3) United States Agnes Zawadzki
    2012 Belarus Minsk: (1) Russia Julia Lipnitskaia (2) United States Gracie Gold (3) Russia Adelina Sotnikova
    2013 Italy Milan: (1) Russia Elena Radionova (2) Russia Julia Lipnitskaia (3) Russia Anna Pogorilaya

    Interestingly...looking at legacy skaters....and if I was so inclined, I would figure out the ages of each competitor... ;-)
    Canada: Joannie Rochette competed at World Jrs in 2001 and 2002, finishing 8th and 5th
    USA: Michelle Kwan competed only once at WJrs in '94 and finished 1st
    USA: Sasha Cohen: competed only once, in 2000, finished 6th
    USA: Sarah Huges: '99, 2nd
    Italy: Kostner competed three times, in '01, '02 and '03, finishing 11th, 10th and 3rd
    Korea: Kim Yu Na: twice competed, '05 and '06, 2nd and 1st places
    Japan: Mao Asada: twice competed, '05 and '06, 1st and 2nd
    Japan: Miki Ando: '03, 04, 05....3rd, 2nd, 1st
    Last edited by B.Cooper; 06-10-2013 at 10:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy void View Post

    But Oblasova, by far, had the best off-ice antics and boy-crazy interviews
    In complete agreement here....confidence to spare!
    She had the makings of a Lindsay Lohan compared to all the other young girls in the field.

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    2005 Canada Kitchener: (1) Japan Mao Asada (2) South Korea Kim Yuna (3) United States Emily Hughes

    Remember that song from Sesame Street?

    "one of these things does not belong here, one of these things are not the same"

    Just kidding.

    Zhang's career is just so weird. So much success as a junior and then...nothing. It is actually weird to see all the girls in her whole era. Based on Jr worlds results during 2007-2009 you would think the US ladies would be so much stronger internationally. The hype was crazy during that time.

    I had also forgotten Wagner went to Sr worlds in 2008 and then Jr worlds in 2009...

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    Rachael Flatt. She was so consistent during her good years

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    This is so true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sedge View Post
    In complete agreement here....confidence to spare!
    She had the makings of a Lindsay Lohan compared to all the other young girls in the field.

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    Flatt is my fav, but I dont think she belongs in this thread because she was still successful

    1st nationals, 5th at worlds, 3 time world competitor and went to the olympics!

    Yes in recent years she was in decline but she still had a good run!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioana View Post
    1995 Worlds was the first (and last!) time I watched skating on Eurosport and I remember the second warm-up group with Koiwai & Simone Lang. Both of them had freaky falls (Lang on a 3sal 3 toe sequence set-up) and then Koiwai cut herself pretty badly. It was very strange to see those in the same group. Did Kumiko ever get the harder triples like flip and lutz?
    I'm pretty sure that Kumiko attempted the triple lutz during the 1995 programme where she cut herself. It was badly under-rotated and she stepped out of it, so I don't think the judges would have given her any credit. However, she was gutsy to try it after what had happened. I can't remember ever seeing her again. There were three Japanese ladies at Worlds 1995, the others being Hanae Yokoya and Junko Yaginuma, and both finished ahead of her. Hanae had an excellent FS after making a silly mistake in the SP, though Junko was the best artistically. It's my guess that Kumiko never made the Japanese team again. So, going back to your question , I very much doubt that she ever landed the flip and lutz consistently. gkelly would know for sure.

    As for Simone Lang, she often seemed to suffer from nerves. In the warm-up at 1995 Worlds, she performed a perfect triple flip right in front of me, but in the actual programme she doubled it and turned out. As you remember, she also had a freak fall at the beginning of her programme on the set-up for a jump, having quite possibly hit a rut. 1995 was her last Worlds, as far as I know. I always liked Simone, even though she didn't have whatever it takes to control her anxiety. I liked her much more than Patricia Neske, who won the bronze medal at Europeans twice (I think), in the days when Europeans was of a really poor standard and Surya was always miles ahead of everyone else.
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    Yukina Ota was an absolutely beautiful artistic skater. I could have watched her forever. It was so disappointing when she quit skating!

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    Ota all the way for me, with Kirk as a second choice. Yukina's programs and way of relating to the audience were really something special - it's just unfortunate that she had underrotated jumps and moved to seniors right when COP was coming in. Her career might have turned out better with different timing.

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    Yukina Ota...truly a ballerina on the ice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5O5jhytU3M This program she did as a little junior just took my breath away. It's great to see that so many still remember and love her despite her very, very brief career.
    Last edited by shine; 06-11-2013 at 08:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilng View Post
    Yukina Ota was an absolutely beautiful artistic skater. I could have watched her forever. It was so disappointing when she quit skating!
    Yes, it was so disappointing that she retired from competitions. She is still skating as a show skater. Now she is matured and even more beautiful and attractive than she was.

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    Yukina Ota, definitely. Everyone talks about Daphnes et Chloe which is great, but my favorite program from her was when she burst on the senior scene at 2003 Skate Canada with Picasso's Dance. That SP was a masterpiece and truly one-of-a-kind.

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