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    Quote Originally Posted by zaphyre14 View Post
    The idiot in this thread isn't Evan.
    ITA.

    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    The way I see it, Hanyu missed the 2013 Worlds podium because of how he skated his short program rather than his long. He scored by some 20 points lower than his season best score of 95+ points.

    Evan's haters please don't kill me for really enjoying Evan's footwork section here. The whole program is very well constructed in my opinion and his body movement looks improved.
    I could care less what Evan's haterz think. His footwork's great! I really love his long, elegant lines.

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    Why don't the "haters" create a thread where they can "bash" if they must; and allow those of us who wish to support Evan - and other competitors - to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFan66 View Post
    It may be his 11th week back on ice full time, or he may have taken a break and resumed training 11 weeks ago. He was off ice after the November surgery until three weeks before Nationals. Lysacek skated on the Today show on February 6, 2013: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn-qErnY87Q
    Ah, thanks for the clarification.

    you know, it shouldn't bug me that a less-gifted but really hardworking skater has accomplished as much as he does--it's really admirable--but for some reason he bugs the crap out of me. Sorry. Anyway--he looked pretty crisp and sharp on Today but he has nowhere near Lambiel's flair or range of movement (compare Lambiel's Poeta LP from 2007), and he looks a bit stiff.
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    Lysacek has nerves of steel and isn't cowed by anyone. That has never been Abbott's strength. I would bet on a healthy Lysacek over Abbott any time, even if I far prefer Abbott's skating.

    Last season, Lysacek withdrew in time for USFS to re-assign the spot. I don't think Lysacek's taking anything away from anyone. He may even sell some tickets to fans willing to take the risk, and I doubt few will not buy tickets because he's scheduled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilJen View Post

    Ah, thanks for the clarification.

    you know, it shouldn't bug me that a less-gifted but really hardworking skater has accomplished as much as he does--it's really admirable--but for some reason he bugs the crap out of me. Sorry. Anyway--he looked pretty crisp and sharp on Today but he has nowhere near Lambiel's flair or range of movement (compare Lambiel's Poeta LP from 2007), and he looks a bit stiff.
    This was one month after he returned to the ice after having surgery to repair a torn abdominal muscle; therefore, it is to be expected that Evan had less range of movement and was not in top form. His performance of Poeta at Sun Valley last year was much better than this performance ...not only was it a longer skate, but it had higher technical content.

    Sorry that Evan 'bugs the crap out of you.' I have always admired his work ethic. Having met him several times, I can say that he was always kind and gracious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    Why don't the "haters" create a thread where they can "bash" if they must; and allow those of us who wish to support Evan - and other competitors - to do so.
    There is a thread where people can be Lala for Lysacek but this is a news thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    There is a thread where people can be Lala for Lysacek but this is a news thread?
    I'm pretty sure lala is a Plushy fan.

    I really hope Evan's body holds up and that we'll see him on the circuit this season. Love him or hate him, he's a fierce competitor and always gives his all to a performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    There is a thread where people can be Lala for Lysacek but this is a news thread?
    News threads shouldn't be full of thinly disguised "disrespect" for any competitor.

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    I'm neither an Evan hater or uber, I just think that the road to Sochi and another Olympic medal is going to be very difficult. And a huge risk. If Evan had been competing and winning World and Grand Prix gold medals, I don't think that it would be unreasonable for him to seek another title.

    but he has not been competing, nor winning any medals, since 2010. Chan has been competing and winning most every competition since 2010. I would think that Evan would much rather end his competitive career as an Olympic Gold Medalist vs. the 2010 OGMedalist who did not finish in the medal contention in 2014.

    Clearly it is not my decision,

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbers123 View Post
    I'm neither an Evan hater or uber, I just think that the road to Sochi and another Olympic medal is going to be very difficult. And a huge risk. If Evan had been competing and winning World and Grand Prix gold medals, I don't think that it would be unreasonable for him to seek another title.

    but he has not been competing, nor winning any medals, since 2010. Chan has been competing and winning most every competition since 2010. I would think that Evan would much rather end his competitive career as an Olympic Gold Medalist vs. the 2010 OGMedalist who did not finish in the medal contention in 2014.

    Clearly it is not my decision,
    Agree. But think we may be strung along all summer while he weighs his options.
    I think if you ever saw Evan practice you would be impression with his determination and focus. I am not a fan of his style. I like a more lyrical style like Johnson's LP but you cannot walk away from watching him practice without being impress.

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    I've seen him since he was a novice skater. I've seen some of that fire, I just don't think that determination and focus can overcome the past years of not competing. I also thought that the last years of competing he was trying to be Plushy with his arms/footwork and that the CoP has moved a bit beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbers123 View Post
    I would think that Evan would much rather end his competitive career as an Olympic Gold Medalist vs. the 2010 OGMedalist who did not finish in the medal contention in 2014.
    The fact that he already has an OGM, he will feel less pressure to win another OGM. So long he medals, it will be an achievement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    The fact that he already has an OGM, he will feel less pressure to win another OGM. So long he medals, it will be an achievement.
    I guess that is where we will disagree - the fact that he already has an OGM, anything less than an OGM is a step down. I think that it will be a very difficult thing to get on the podium - in my opinion he will have a difficult time doing that. I'd love to be proven wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbers123 View Post
    I guess that is where we will disagree - the fact that he already has an OGM, anything less than an OGM is a step down. I think that it will be a very difficult thing to get on the podium - in my opinion he will have a difficult time doing that. I'd love to be proven wrong
    I think Evan knows all that which is why I would surprised if he even shows up. I think this whole "comeback" is a way of keeping his name in the news until it fades into relative obscurity for good after the Sochi Olympics. Not that I blame him for that, he might as well milk his last 15 minutes and every cent he can get out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    I think Evan knows all that which is why I would surprised if he even shows up. I think this whole "comeback" is a way of keeping his name in the news until it fades into relative obscurity for good after the Sochi Olympics. Not that I blame him for that, he might as well milk his last 15 minutes and every cent he can get out of it.
    I don't mind 'fading into relative obscurity' with a string of world and olympic medals under my belt? How many obscured people can boast of world class medals in their cupboard?
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    I hope Evan competes at the Olympics, but I'll still be surprised if he shows up at Nationals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    Why don't the "haters" create a thread where they can "bash" if they must; and allow those of us who wish to support Evan - and other competitors - to do so.
    But that would be no fun for them! And then there are the ones who are just born to troll!

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    If he competes at Nationals, I will eat my hat and have Alexei Urmanov's gloves for dessert. That is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    The fact that he already has an OGM, he will feel less pressure to win another OGM. So long he medals, it will be an achievement.
    Heh, tell that to Plushenko.

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    I wish Evan all the best as he tries to "come back" to competition. I admire his hard work ethic but I suspect that should he stay in skating til Sochi, he will not be on the podium and may even find himself a bit sad with his results. I truly believe that his time of being competitive for a GP/Olympic/Worlds medal has passed.

    IIRC, I don't think Evan has landed much in the way of even a single quad in competition. I really believe that a quad in the short and at least 2, with one in combination, are going to be needed in the free. I just don't think Evan has it in him to either get those quads competition ready, nor have enough of a base value that going clean and maxing out his PCS would put him on the podium. I think there are just too many men who have passed him in TES. Given that PCS seems to follow how well you did in TES, Evan would have a lot to make up if he doesn't have quads in his programs.

    That being said, if this is truly what he wants to do, then he should go for it. If he doesn't make it out of his own Nationals (which I think *could* happen), he may need to take a few steps backward and re-evaluate what he really wants out of life in general, and skating in particular.
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