View Poll Results: Who will win Olympic Gold in 2014 for the mens skaters

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  • Chan

    57 37.75%
  • Takahashi

    11 7.28%
  • Hanyu

    22 14.57%
  • Kozuka

    2 1.32%
  • Ten

    8 5.30%
  • Fernandez

    28 18.54%
  • Plushenko

    11 7.28%
  • Lysacek

    3 1.99%
  • Aaron or Reynolds quad their way to gold

    4 2.65%
  • someone else (yeah right)

    5 3.31%
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    Early prediction for mens Olympic Gold medal winner

    You were to pick now who would be your prediction as Olympic mens title winner. I hope it is Chan but unfortunately I have a feeling it will be overrated pretty boy Fernandez winning it, with Hanyu or Takahashi 2nd (whichever the Japanese fed chooses), Chan bronze.

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    LOL, is Lysacek or his mother a member here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    LOL, is Lysacek or his mother a member here?
    More likely someone voting with their heart and not with their brain.

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    Patrick Chan. He has it all! He just needs to put it together better. Now he can be a mixed bag of great highs and lows and win worlds and that could carry over to the Olympics. Hopefully he will be like 2011 worlds and be really great. Or 2012 4cc. I still think he is totally on track to win. He's lost to Takahashi and Fernandez at different events but they got big problems too.

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    Duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chanunderrated View Post
    You were to pick now who would be your prediction as Olympic mens title winner. I hope it is Chan but unfortunately I have a feeling it will be overrated pretty boy Fernandez winning it, with Hanyu or Takahashi 2nd (whichever the Japanese fed chooses), Chan bronze.

    Particulary, he overrated on what?
    In current mens, He is the most consistent on quad, with high quality, and he had enjoyable programs
    Last edited by karlon; 06-04-2013 at 04:22 AM.

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    Not sure but I doubt it will be Chan. It is unlikely he will even medal IMO. I will be surprised if a single one of Chan, Plushenko, or Lysacek is on the podium (or in Evan's case is if he in Sochi at all). The winner will be Fernandez, Hanyu, or a surprise skating lights out. The podium will also have atleast one real surprise I feel (aka someone outside of Fernandez, Hanyu, Chan, Ten, and Takahashi).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chanunderrated View Post
    overrated pretty boy Fernandez
    Ooh, I love that name But I raise you overrated pretty blades Chan

    ( ...I wonder how long before posters go on me )

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    As much as it is expected to be Chan based on past results. A canadian man has never pulled of a win at olympics. Orser got 2 silvers, Stojko got 2 silvers, Buttle got bronze. I think Patrick might do the same by not winning the gold.

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    I'm still holding out hope for one brief, shining, golden moment from Takahashi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chanunderrated View Post
    overrated pretty boy Fernandez
    ITA.
    Javier is not Olympic champion material.
    Average SS, so-so artistry, not even ‘natural‘ entertaining performer (unlike Plushenko).
    Last edited by t.mann; 06-04-2013 at 06:21 AM.

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    Plushenko the man of steel and Lysacek, the solid rock! But I give the winning vote to Lysacek because Plushenko has too many injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    He's lost to Takahashi and Fernandez at different events but they got big problems too.
    They got big problems for sure.
    It's official. I am madly in love with Meryl Davis.

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    Probably Chan but hopefully with no falls. For some reason I can see him completely tanking at the Olympics though and the judges not "giving" it to him.

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    I voted for Chan. He has everything to win, and I hope he will be perfect!!! I wouldn't like to see Oly Champion, who has multiple falls!!!!! And I would like to see Plushy on the podium. That would be great for the 31 y.o man, who has many and serious injuries. But I won't be sad if he can win .
    Last edited by lala; 06-05-2013 at 06:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Not sure but I doubt it will be Chan. It is unlikely he will even medal IMO. I will be surprised if a single one of Chan, Plushenko, or Lysacek is on the podium (or in Evan's case is if he in Sochi at all). The winner will be Fernandez, Hanyu, or a surprise skating lights out. The podium will also have atleast one real surprise I feel (aka someone outside of Fernandez, Hanyu, Chan, Ten, and Takahashi).
    Really? Chan is an overwhelming favorite, like no one else in the past (except may be Plush in 2006, but even he had to land his jumps to win). There may be a slim chance of him not winning the OGM, but not even on the podium? That's impossible. I agree that there will be one surprise on the podium, as it often happens at the Olympics.

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    Random thoughts on the subject

    1. Doesn't it feel like Chan's on the decline? A combination of deliberate technical stagnation (he feels he doesn't need to add more to his arsenal) and the lack of a technical/psychological training (again, according to his own words) has precipitated some of his worst skates in seasons. There's definitely a rising backlash to his victories/scoring that, regardless of coded/systemic changes, could work against him.

    2. Denis Ten, of course, peaked gloriously at Worlds. But I can't help feel that it was somewhat of a fluke. 60 points better than his prior season best? Nearly 40 points higher than his previous personal best? It'll be interesting to see where he goes now, but I'm not quite willing to commit to his podium chances yet. Or ever, really.

    3. The one I can rationalize my feelings with facts most easily is Javier Fernandez. He's moving up in general. He's skating better, which means he's scoring better, which means he's skating with more confidence, which is increasing his PCS, etc. He still makes costly errors, but he's gotten to that level where the judges won't hold him back. He has the second highest LP score ever. And if he does go for a two-quad SP/3 quad LP like more and more of the men seem to be trying (Aaron has mentioned it, Joubert already attempted it, ditto Reynolds) he might actually be unbeatable. More than any other guy, he seems to be closest to a sustainable (read for a season) peak.

    4. Or maybe Hanyu. Hanyu isn't closer to his peak, but if all goes well, his peak seems like it'll be higher than Fernandez. But Hanyu seems to be struggling a bit more. He had such a blazing start to his season (two World records back to back, GP silver, National title) only to decline. Even in those results we saw decline. Of course, in his previous two seasons, we saw him struggle a little in the start only to turn it on by the end. So it's a weird reversal. How much of that was adjusting to his new environment? I do feel like there's room enough for both Orser men to be on the podium, but where?

    5. If the results were democratic and FSU the voting body, is there any doubt that Takahashi would win in a walk? The most popular skater of his generation (I do consider him and Plushenko to be two different generations, fwiw), capable of real moments of genius. And a championship skater if there ever was one. Not one to take the easy way out (excepting the decision to go back to Morosov). But he's probably the farthest from his peak of the real contenders. He doesn't feel like a real number one. He's going into the next Olympics as the reigning bronze medalist, and it's hard not to feel like he might be like the last guy to go into the Olympics with that title. Entertaining skater with a long professional/choreographing career ahead of him if he wants.

    6. Plushenko. What is there to say about him? He defies belief. Missed Nagano on a fluke (Urmanov's withdrawal from 1997 Worlds meant that Russia would only have two spots and he was skating in a field where four men could make the final as they did during that Olympic season), but had been a competitive mainstay for eight more years and demonstrated he was capable of significant astonishment FIFTEEN years after his first World medal. He demonstrates a mental fortitude that most skaters cannot even approach. But while spirit is willing, what does the body say? I get why he wants to compete - he hasn't skated at home at a major event ever (WD from Moscow 2005, didn't compete in 2011. Russia didn't hold Euros during his career). Ultimately, I think the best he can do is a gold in the team event and that would be impressive and I think a worthy final bow. I don't anticipate him doing much damage in the individual event, though.

    7. Lysacek.... you know, at least Plushenko and even Wier walked-the-walk. Plushenko came back for Vancouver, won another European title in 2012, and won his billionth national title. Lysacek... notsomuch. All we've heard are the usual homilies and platitudes: he's better than ever, ready to compete, the goal is Sochi. But he hasn't competed. And I feel that the level has eclipsed what he did at his best.

    8. If someone has a Wylie moment, it could be Kozuka or Abbott (for the record, my Worlds 2013 dream podium was Kozuka-Fernandez-Abbott. You can imagine how disappointed I was that two of them didn't even make Worlds). But you just wish for Wylie moments, you don't bet on them.

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    At this point a Paul Wylie moment for Abbott would just be making the Olympic team.
    Last edited by judgejudy27; 06-06-2013 at 07:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Really? Chan is an overwhelming favorite, like no one else in the past (except may be Plush in 2006, but even he had to land his jumps to win). There may be a slim chance of him not winning the OGM, but not even on the podium? That's impossible. I agree that there will be one surprise on the podium, as it often happens at the Olympics.
    Mostly a gut feeling. That gut feeling isnt based on preference and my not liking Chan btw, as I often have gut feelings I dont like, such as my gut feeling on Evan in fall 2009, which led to me even starting a thread guaranteeing Evan Lysacek the 2010 Olympic Gold in December 2009, which proved right.

    However I also think you drastically overate Chan's certainty as the winner. I would agree on paper he is still the favorite, only the slight favorite at this point IMO. He seems to clearly be on decline at this point, and I think it is increasingly clear he is now past his peak for good. That doesnt mean he isnt good enough to win, but he isnt going to get better at this point, and will probably keep declining in his final amateur season as well. His technical skills and consistency are both waning, especialy in the jumps; and his skating skills and artistry both have already peaked out as well.

    2013 was hardly a dominant season for Chan. He lost Skate Canada to Fernandez, barely made the podium at the GP final and was quite lucky to considering Fernandez was 1st in the LP to his 4th, while Takahashi won that event with as many mistakes as Chan had for once, and almost lost the LP to Reynolds at Nationals, while losing the LP handily to Ten at Worlds and his win there getting a huge boo from everyone in skating pretty much. The controversy over his victory aside though, he was super lucky at Worlds. Had Ten not doubled one of two jumps, he would have won, and this is a guy who wasnt even supposed to be top 10. Had Takahashi, Hanyu, or Fernandez done a clean short combined with an event decent long, even with some mistakes, any would have beaten Chan with how he skated at Worlds. He wont get that lucky again with a skate like that at the Olympics, that is for sure, especialy on much less friendly territory.
    Last edited by judgejudy27; 06-06-2013 at 04:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    At this point a Paul Wylie moment for Paul would just be making the Olympic team.
    I presume you mean Abbott, because I think Kozuka still has a solid shot at the team.

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