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    Quote Originally Posted by Sally1214 View Post
    Not a head scratcher for me. I'll believe Evan Lysacek skates at SA when he's taking his final bow. Max Aaron would kick Evan's butt so deep into center ice he'd need to dig it out with a backhoe!
    But how do you really feel?

    I wonder; if Evan does well enough, is there a chance he could be invited to a 2nd event?

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    I want Evan to compete, and do well, to shut the nay-sayers up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-man View Post
    I will rephrase and say the rules, rather than the ISU, gave the US 12 slots based on performance.
    Since this is the ISU, it's more complicated than that.

    Three spots are assigned to the host country. Each host federation can choose any three eligible skaters in each discipline, and, by eligible, that means literally eligible to compete in senior ISU competition. (No GP minimums, results, or experience apply.) While the general practice has been for hosts to not select more than one skater in each Worlds results group (1-3, 4-6, 7-9, 10-12), there is either no rule against it, or, there is a rule, but Federations break it occasionally with no known repercussions. For example, in the past the Japanese Fed assigned two skaters from the non-seeded groups, i.e., 7-9 and 10-12*, and last season, for the first time, chose Takahashi (2) and Hanyu (3) from the first seed group and the French Fed chose both Joubert (4) and Amodio (5) from the second seed group.

    All of the other spots are specific to skaters, with the limitation of no more than three skaters per country per discipline in any event.

    There are skaters who are guaranteed one or two based on last season's results. The rest must be eligible for consideration through their own results -- Top 75 on last season's SB list and meet the GP minimum last season or at five early Senior internationals, a rule which was broken last season for Montalbano/Krasnapolski -- or be part of a couple that split, but in the past two seasons had 1-6 or 7-12 finishes with a previous partner and is returning with a new partner or be a returning skater (skipped one or more seasons and had specific results at Worlds during the defined periods).

    Three spots were assigned to USFS to do as they wish; the rest were earned by specific skaters. Taking Ladies, the following skaters earned spots for themselves:

    Two each:
    Wagner (5th at Worlds), two spots
    Gold (6th at Worlds), two spots

    One each:
    15-Nagasu, one spot
    16-Gao, one spot
    18-Miller, one spot if she turned senior for GP
    20-Zawadzki, one spot
    22-Wang, one spot if she turned senior for GP.

    Coincidentally, the maximum guaranteed or "earned" was 12 (3 host spots + 4 for two guaranteed two + 5 guaranteed one). However, because Miller and Wang are staying junior for GP, the maximum "earned" was actually 10 (3 host spots + 4 for two guaranteed two + 3 seniors guaranteed one). In addition, USFS chose Wagner, who would have been given two no matter what, for one of the host spots, which left a net of 9 guaranteed or "earned" spots. (3 host spots + 3 incremental spots for skaters guaranteed two + 3 seniors guaranteed spots). Any other assignment for a US Lady was optional.

    As it turned out, three other hosts chose Nagasu, Gao, and Zawadzki for a second each, but there was no obligation. They could just as soon have chosen any three of Gosviani, Popova, Cesario, Imai, Caroline Zhang, Lafuente, or Glebova, for example.


    Quote Originally Posted by b-man View Post
    Do host countries get extra slots for being a host country?
    Technically, no. If the country doesn't have enough eligible skaters/teams for three slots -- this has been the case in Japan for Pairs and Dance -- they eventually have to return them to the pool, usually by the end of the summer at the latest, when hosts submit names for TBAs, except the French Fed, which uses a later internal competition to determine the last spot(s). A Federation may choose to put host spots back in the pool for the initial selection -- in Pairs, the Japanese Fed put back two and the French Fed put back one -- or wait until the TBA deadline, or decide to pull a skater or not replace an injured skater closer to the event.

    Also, there can be up to three skaters/teams from a non-host nation at any event from any other country. For each discipline, the Feds draw for selection order. It is possible for a Fed to draw last and have only skaters from one other country from which to choose in three categories, but the odds are low. There is no scenario where the Chinese Federation was obligated to choose all three of Sotnikova, Koreobeynikova, and Pogorilaya, since the latter two are in the same category (guaranteed one by Top 24 WS and/or SB).

    Practically speaking, it is far more common for hosts to have three from their own country and fewer from other countries. The exceptions this year are 3 RUS Ladies at CoC, 3 USA Men at Skate Canada and NHK, 3 JPN Men at Skate America and Skate Canada, where there is either dominance and/or volume of accomplished skaters.

    *Since the announcement for 2013-14 hasn't been published yet, we can only go by last season's announcement and try to interpret what the actual selections imply. For example, this year, both Skate America (Joubert-9 and Aaron-8) and NHK (Mura-7 and Aaron-8) have two from what for the last decade has been one group (7-9) and none from the 10-12 group, while CoC (Amodio-12, Liebers- 11) and TEB (Amodio-12, Brezina-10) have none from the 7-9 group, but two from the 10-12 group, which is exceptional. Perhaps this year 7-12 is one group?

    Quote Originally Posted by b-man View Post
    Under what circumstances, if any, are skaters moving from junior to senior internationally guaranteed senior GP slots?
    About a month or so before the initial selection meeting, the Federations submit two lists of skaters to be considered, one list for Junior GP and one for Senior GP. (While the skaters can earn spots for themselves, the Federations can refuse to submit their names for selection, like the Russian Fed did to Sokolova after she placed top 10 at the prior Worlds, and Skate Canada did to Sandhu, and Federations can hold back skaters in Juniors or push them to Seniors, even if the skater wishes otherwise.)

    Any skater, junior or senior, who is in the Top 24 SB, which includes scores from JGP and Jr. Worlds, and/or Top 24 WS, which includes points earned from JPG, Jr. Worlds, and Senior B's, is guaranteed one and could be chosen for a second, if the Federation submits their name to the ISU on the senior GP list instead of the Junior GP list.

    In addition, while the rules have changed a few times over the past few seasons, last season, Jr. World medalists and JGPF gold medalists are eligible to be chosen, if their names are on the Senior GP list, if they haven't already been guaranteed one. (It is highly unlikely that these skaters wouldn't already be guaranteed one from the Top 24 SB list, if they are Jr. Worlds medalists or JGP champions, but it's technically possible.)

    Quote Originally Posted by b-man View Post
    I note that JW 4th and 5th place Cesario and Hicks had no assignments (Hicks stayed junior), yet 7th place Miyahara has two senior GP assignments. Radionova of course has two.
    Cesario isn't guaranteed a spot, since she was tied for 27th on the SB list, is 47th in WS, and missed the podium at Jr. Worlds. Miyahara was 23rd on the SB list and was guaranteed one and was assigned to an optional spot. The Japanese Fed could have kept a TBA for NHK, forcing another Fed to assign her one, and, afterwards, assigned her to the TBA, but they and the Russian Fed skipped that farce and just gave her two up front.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    IIRC, there have been 2 TBA's assigned in the same discipline by a host federation in the recent(?) past but maybe this isn't allowed anymore?
    In 2011-12, the French Fed had 2 TBD's in Ladies and USFS had 2 TBD's in Dance. (I recycled my printouts from the two seasons before ) Last season, there were relatively few TBA's at all, and no two in any one discipline for any host.

    It's possible there was a rule change, but it hadn't been published through last season's announcement, and we're still waiting for this season's.

    Even with one TBA, Skate Canada could have forced another Fed to choose M/P, leaving a TBA open for M/P or another team that wasn't guaranteed one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polymer Bob View Post

    I wonder; if Evan does well enough, is there a chance he could be invited to a 2nd event?
    If he signed the paperwork as a "comeback skater," and he was only chosen for Skate America in the initial round, then he could be invited to another event where he wouldn't be a fourth US man.

    If he didn't, the only way he could be considered for another event is if he enters and wins any of USFS International, Finlandia, Nebelhorn, Nepala, and Coupe de Nice and there are so many substitutes that he makes it from the bottom of the alternates list, where the winners of these Senior B's sit.
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    Anyone knows about ticket presale of Skate Canada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehdtkqorl123 View Post
    Anyone knows about ticket presale of Skate Canada?
    This is the thread that discusses the event itself and where that info would be/will be posted:
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...-to-Saint-John
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    This is the thread that discusses the event itself and where that info would be/will be posted:
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...-to-Saint-John
    Oops my bad.. wrong address!

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    Here are the Dance teams, Senior international level, with 0 or 1 GP assignment from a host federation with 1 TBA that have met the 113.74 GP minimum score:

    Hubbell/Donohue SB 17 (SC), Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt 26 (none), Aldridge/Eaton 27 (CoC), Cannuscio/McManus 49 (none) - 1 TBA at SA;
    Huang/Zheng 50 (CoC), Yu/Wang 60 (CoC) - 1 TBA at CoC (could go to another country's team?);
    Reed/Reed 24 (SA) - 1 TBA at NHK;
    Papadakis/Cizeron 20 (RC) - 1 TBA at TEB;
    Stepanova/Bukin 14 (SC), Monko/Khaliavin 15 (TEB), Sinitsina/Zhiganshin 18 (NHK), Pushkash/Guerreiro 39 (none) - 1 TBA at RC.

    Teams with 0 or 1 GP assignment, ranked by SB down to #39 (excluding the JGP-eligible teams):
    13 Coomes/Buckland GBR (TEB)
    14 Stepanova/Bukin RUS (SC)
    15 Monko/Khaliavin RUS (TEB)
    17 Hubbell/Donohue USA (SC)
    18 Sinitsina/Zhiganshin RUS (NHK)
    19 Zlobina/Sitnikov AZE (SA)
    20 Papadakis/Cizeron FRA (RC)
    21 Kolbe/Caruso GER (NHK)
    22 Guignard/Fabbri ITA (SC)
    23 Heekin-Canedy/Dun UKR (RC)
    24 Reed/Reed JPN (SA)
    25 Tobias/Stagniunas LTU (SA)
    26 Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt USA (none)
    27 Aldridge/Eaton USA (CoC)
    28 Orford/Williams CAN (TEB)
    30 Koch/Nuchtern GER (none)
    36 Shtork/Rand EST (none)
    37 Hurtado/Diaz ESP (none)
    39 Pushkash/Guerreiro RUS (none)

    Also:
    -- Paul/Islam CAN (SC host pick)
    Last edited by Sylvia; 06-05-2013 at 02:45 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Skatefan View Post
    Do you know that the USFSA is holding them back? Maybe it's a decision they made with their coaches?
    Could be but in the case of Miller I doubt it. In this interview from Nationals http://web.icenetwork.com/media/play...2010.swf&_mp=1 she's says she'd like to compete on the senior GP. Her SB also secured her 1 spot so she knew she could definitely get a GP assignment. Issue is, if her name had been submitted and she got a GP event, that would have likely cost Nagasu or Zawadzki her second GP, and USFS would probably rather Nagasu and Zawadzki each have 2 GPs because they are actually being considered for the Sochi Olympic team and it gives them a chance to qualify for the GPF, whereas had Miller's name been submitted, she would have gotten 1 GP but most likely not 2 (unless USFS had sense and gave her SA as a 2nd instead of Zhang), so where she's not really being considered for Sochi anyways and with 1 GP there's no way she could qualify for the GPF, then to have her compete on the GP doesn't do USFS any favors AND would prevent a competitor in the mix to make the Olympic team from gaining more exposure and even having a shot to make the GPF.

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    This sounds very logical, pinky. I also wish Hannah would have had her 1 GP assignment + possibly the host SA pick after summer monitoring competitions, which show current readiness. After this cycle, hopefully she will be in a better position to earn 2 GPs outright.

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    Some data on the GP minimums:

    They were calculated on 60% of the World Champion's score, which in all cases was from World Championships, and in Kim's, V/T's, and D/W's case was the highest score on the SB list. For Chan, his WC score was third highest on the SB list. (The ISU truncates at the hundredths, rather than rounding.) This is a change from past calculations, which were done on the highest SB score, regardless of whether that was earned by the World Champion or at the World Championships.

    Nerd observation: the Men's GP minimum for 2011-12 was 168.60, and this year it's 160.68.

    To repeat the minimums (referred to below), based on the GP Preview published on 3 June:
    Ladies-130.98
    Men-160.68
    Pairs-135.42
    Dance-113.74

    Men: All in the top 75 SB have met the minimum score, as did 76-78. Had Javier Fernandez's SB from Euro's been used, the GP minimum would have been 164.92, and the cut-off would have been just below Justus Strid (DEN), #73 SB. Not that the alternates list will get that far down.

    Ladies: Cut-off is at #71, Laurine Lecavelier (FRA).

    Dance: Cut-off is at #60, Yu/Wang (CHN).

    Pairs: Cut-off is at #34, Vartman/Van Cleave (GER).

    Simpson/Blackmer's assignment to Rostelecom Cup for their Top 24 WS is provisional, since they have not met the GP minimum score: they missed by 2.37 with junior programs. Presumably USFS will assign them to one of the five Senior B's that count towards earning the minimum: US International, Nebelhorn, Nepala, Finlandia, and Coupe de Nice.

    For all but Pairs, the chances of getting picked from the bottom of alternates list are very low, but for Pairs, it could be a different story.

    Returning to juniors or split are Fedorova/Miroshkin, Davankova/Deputat, Vigalova/Zakroev, Yu/Jin, Davis/Ladwig, and Vise/Baldwin, leaving the following for replacement spots without results from the early Senior B's:

    1. Three Split couples/returning split couples: Davis/Brubaker, Purich/Tran, and Takahashi/Kihara are at the top of the list to get a second.
    2. Six in the Top 24 SB list with one: Stolbova/Klimov (he's reportedly injured), Zhang/Bartholomay, Martiusheva/Rogonov, Popova/Massot, Denny/Frazier, and Purdy/Marinaro
    3. Two in the Top 75 SB who've met the minimum with one: Della Monica/Guarise and Vartman/Van Cleave
    4. Five in the Top 75 SB who've met the minimum and have no assignments to date: Jones/Beharry, Tarasova/Morozov (he turned 20 last November)*, Proelss/Blommaert, Wang/Zhang, and Gainetdinova/Bich (he turned 20 in February)*.

    *They could remain junior. (Thanks to Sylvia [below] for pointing this out.)

    Total is 16, [ETA] if Tarasova/Morozov and Gainetdinova/Bich go senior, fewer if they remain junior. Last season there were 17 withdrawals (including two replacement withdrawals), of which six were never replaced, plus four TBA replacements. (This year there are five TBAs.) If this season is anything like last -- hopefully not -- the skaters just underneath the cut-off have a shot at getting an assignment if they make the GP minimums at one of the five early Senior B's. Just like two seasons ago, Kemp/King are just below the cut-off by a few points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    I want Evan to compete, and do well, to shut the nay-sayers up!
    Go Evan

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Cesario isn't guaranteed a spot, since she was tied for 27th on the SB list, is 47th in WS, and missed the podium at Jr. Worlds.
    This makes me mad at the Jr Worlds judging / calling all over again.

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    I'm a lot more excited to see Josh and Jason than I figured I would be. It's nice to have some new seniors to fangirl over, I guess As for Evan... I really want to see him compete. Really. Maybe he's like skating Beetlejuice: assign his name three times and he appears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Since this is the ISU, it's more complicated than that.
    Thanks, Kwanfan, very informative and comprehensive answer. You are certainly a whiz on ISU rules.

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    I went back and looked at the Senior B competition scores for last year. Donlan and Speroff scored over 140 points at Nebelhorn, does that make them eligible under the points for a GP on the alternate list or does it have to be at a Grand Prix that they meet the minimum score? Hopefully they have sorted out their issues from last season and will at least get a Senior B assignment.

    I also believe that Kayne and Oshea and Leng and Leduc met the minimum score at the Spring International.
    Last edited by hippychick; 06-05-2013 at 02:05 PM.

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    ^^^ Yes, 2012 Nebelhorn counts for Donlan/Speroff (145.35).

    ETA:
    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Returning to juniors or split are Fedorova/Miroshkin, Davankova/Deputat, Vigalova/Zakroev, Yu/Jin, Davis/Ladwig, and Vise/Baldwin, leaving the following for replacement spots without results from the early Senior B's:
    ...
    4. Five in the Top 75 SB who've met the minimum and have no assignments to date: Jones/Beharry, Tarasova/Morozov (he turned 20 last November), Proelss/Blommaert, Wang/Zhang, and Gainetdinova/Bich (he turned 20 in February).
    Tarasova/Morozov (SB 27) and Gainetdinova/Bich (SB 33) are both still ISU Junior age-eligible in 2013-14.
    Last edited by Sylvia; 06-06-2013 at 05:11 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Tarasova/Morozov (SB 27)
    Whenever I see the names of this pair, I get the strangest mental image.

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    So Plush has only one assignment as of now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Whenever I see the names of this pair, I get the strangest mental image.
    Glad I'm not the only one

    surprised the Russian fed hasn't politicked harder for this team considering their names

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    i am glad caroline zhang got one,
    i am happy she got one. i wonder why some people on boards don't want her to have one.
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