1996 Worlds bronze
1997 Grand Prix final gold (or silver)
1997 Worlds bronze
1998 Olympics bronze
1998 Worlds silver
2000 Worlds gold
2000 NHK gold
2001 Grand Prix final gold (based on how she skates winning NHK)
2001 Worlds gold
2002 Olympic gold (based on how she skates if she didnt quit after robbed in short)
I am sure you are right that it would have helped her move up in the early and mid-90s. I can really see your point. If she gave a few performances similar to that in 1990-1994, history could have been different for the whole ladies event. Her reputation might have been very strong by 1995.
You forget that Sarah Hughes is an Olympic Gold medalist. Nevertheless, technically, Maria's 2001 Worlds LP did beat Sarah Hughes in the LP. She was just too far behind in the qualifying round to have won the medal outright.
Regarding my hypothetical, I was only saying that her 2001 Worlds performance was good enough to be in contention in past eras, if not win like Midori Ito did not win the LP in Calgary because she lacked the reputation.
I think 2 things threw her off:
1. having to switch from the loop to the flip in the short program
2. losing to Slutskaya at NHK
Just my opinion anyway, she was a much better skater than Slutskaya overall, just not on individual elements.
I would have scored long program at 2000 Worlds as Kwan 5.8 technical, 5.8 presentation, Butyrskaya 5.6 technical, 5.9 presentation, and Slutskaya 5.8 technical, 5.7 presentation, so Butyrskaya would be 2nd and win overall I guess. Although I dont see qualifying round and not sure if results and placements were fair there or not.
Short program I had Kwan 4th behind Hughes too since she missed the triple flip.
I love this interview with Maria:
Masha: It's a little painful for me to remember the Salt Lake City. Not everything
depends on the athlete. There are many factors that influence the results. I
realized very well that ladies event is probably the only event where Americans
can take gold. It wouldn't be hard to guess that judges will protect the
hosts in any case. I could only get a medal if Irina Slutskaya skated short
program badly. By the way, that happened during the Olympic season more than
once. If Slutskaya would fail, they would pay attention to another Russian.
Russia could not be left without ladies' medal. I was just a backup.
Slutskaya skated short program well. She should not have stopped later. She
didn't even try triple/triple combination. American girl, Sarah Hughes, risked
and she made it! Under-rotated jumps? So what! Those who were not happy with
competition results had to find something to pick on Sarah. They pointed that
she wasn't artistic. I think Hughes looked brighter than Slutskaya. She was more
professional. Slutskaya behaved like a whiner. Why did she had to cry and yell
everywhere that 5.6 for presentation is a never before seen mix-up and
make a galactic tragedy out of it?
Interviewer: Did you say it to Irina's face?
Masha: We don't talk to each other.
Irina: So, you think Hughes deserved to be an Olympic champion?
Masha: It would've been fair if Michelle Kwan won in Salt Lake City...
I would've given Butyrskaya the '98 Olympic bronze over Chen just because her skating was more interesting to me. Chen for me was rather boring if lovely. But really, they were both close enough that it could have gone either way.
Even more than Slutskaya, Hughes received the gift of the '02 Olympics being placed 4th after her awkward SP and well within striking distance of the podium. She shouldn't have been any higher than 6th or 7th imo. I'd even place her lower.
Last edited by Sasha'sSpins; 06-09-2013 at 05:25 PM.
First of all, I loved Maria's skating and she has had a few unfair results/scoring in either SP or LP or sometimes both (2002 Oly SP scoring was unfair, IMO but it was not one of the options above).
The only one I voted for was the 2000 NHK. Most of her other losses were justifiable, even though marginally. There were some close results against her, but I don't see those as obvious robberies. IMO she could have won the 1998 Oly bronze had she skated better in the LP. There is no way she could have won the gold at the 2000 worlds, based on how the top 3 skated in the LP. She had a gorgeous SP and was in first place but she needed to skate better in the LP. She skated well, but it was again a case of Oh so close.
Her 2001 worlds LP performance was great artistically (I gave her a standing O.) and she delivered in both SP and LP, but Gold? No way! I would have given her the bronze over the juniorish Sarah, for sure. Michelle was fantastic in the LP and nobody could have beaten her, unless Irina had landed two 3-3 combinations. She was robbed of the bronze in 2001 but not of gold (as one of the options in this poll).
Last edited by Vash01; 06-09-2013 at 06:09 PM.
When it came to the jumps, the 6.0 was supposed to pay attention to take off, height, distance, landing, and flow. No?
I am on your side. Michelle actually won. The only way you could convince me otherwise is to explain what merits Slutskaya's slow and hackneyed performance of Tosca that night had to its credit. The triple loop from a difficult entrance and higher jumps was all I saw. The quality was poor. Kwan's FS was only lacking in the jump content compared to Hughes and the one major error. Otherwise it was a far livelier and lovelier piece of work, and she did have nearly as good of content as Slut. I am not sure that Slutskaya on the other hand performed Tosca very well at all. She looked so much better at the GPF. Her spiral sequence is such a dud that it may have biased me against her in terms of choreography and style. I need to go back and watch these performances but I am out of town at a funeral...