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    Rfisher, only you would let a dog fart be a deal breaker between you and a tornado.

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    News report this morning said that the school that took the direct hit was older and did not have a safe room nor did it have sturdy ceiling construction. Most of the kids were in bathrooms, some in offices in the interior of the building. When the collapse happened, it rained debris everywhere.
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    BBC and Svt both report over 90 dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
    Rfisher, only you would let a dog fart be a deal breaker between you and a tornado.

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    Big dog and small closet. The tornado was the lesser of the two evils. I lived in a house with a basement once (they aren't common in our area of the country) and my young neighbor who was deathly afraid of storms would come rushing over with her cats to want to get in the basement any time the sky darkened. My Akita was amused. The cats weren't. I didn't bother with the basement because if the house was damaged, all that debris would fall right down into the basement. I tried to explain that to her, but she was from the north and thought every cloud meant a tornado. You learn the difference. When the sky goes green, it's time to duck your head. You have to have a separate concrete storm shelter. I probably wouldn't bother with it either.
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    My thoughts and prayers to the folks of Oklahoma. My heart is breaking.

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    I'm still here and so far so good but let's see what today's weather brings :-P

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    My school stuffs all the kids into the science rooms (lower floor, interior) and the hallways. Like rfisher says, in a direct hit, it's not going to do much good. And God/Ceiling Cat/Buddha/flying spaghetti monster forbid we ever have to get high schoolers in there quickly, because they just do. not. move.

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    News report this morning said that the school that took the direct hit was older and did not have a safe room nor did it have sturdy ceiling construction. Most of the kids were in bathrooms, some in offices in the interior of the building. When the collapse happened, it rained debris everywhere.
    ...and children drowned in the basement. CNN asked the Mayor this a.m. why the building had not been upgraded to include a shelter. Budget issues he said. Really?
    In an area known to have tornadoes? Can't believe it.

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    Reading the NY Times story comments makes me utterly despair of humanity. NOW is the time to condemn Imhofe and Coburn on the debt ceiling and climate change? Really? The Oklahoma dead brought this on themselves by voting for the wrong Senators?

    I'm usually the first to find the political underpinnings to everything but this just leaves me aghast. I'm glad you're ok, agal, and fingers crossed for your pastor and other friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFJ View Post
    ...and children drowned in the basement. CNN asked the Mayor this a.m. why the building had not been upgraded to include a shelter. Budget issues he said. Really?
    In an area known to have tornadoes? Can't believe it.
    Actually, that's really easy to believe. School boards are really reluctant to release money for preventative measures like this. As I said above, my school really has no good place to go, and it sits on a plain in tornado alley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFJ View Post
    ...and children drowned in the basement. CNN asked the Mayor this a.m. why the building had not been upgraded to include a shelter. Budget issues he said. Really?
    In an area known to have tornadoes? Can't believe it.
    Frankly, I doubt it would have made a lot of difference given the hit the school took. You have minutes to get to shelter. Tornados aren't like hurricanes where you have advance warning. A funnel can drop down out of rotational clouds in seconds. You usually have minutes before it hits. You can get kids against an interior wall in that amount of time. You can't get scores of people into a shelter and it still might not be effective. The biggest life savers are the storm chasers who are identifying a funnel and the warning systems especially at night. My dad has a weather radio which will blast out a warning at night. A shelter might protect you from flying debris in the tornado itself, but if a building is in the direct path, there really isn't much you can do except hold on and pray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sofia Alexandra View Post
    BBC and Svt both report over 90 dead.
    I hope those are not accurate reports. I've seen the number of confirmed deaths moved down to 24 from the initially reported 51 last night. From the NYT:
    On Monday night, Amy Elliott, the spokeswoman for the Oklahoma City medical examiner, said at least 51 people had died and 40 more bodies were on their way, but on Tuesday, Ms. Elliott said that count “is no longer accurate.”

    As of Tuesday morning, the medical examiner had confirmed 24 deaths, she said.

    On Monday night, hospitals reported at least 145 people injured, 70 of them children.
    It still is a horrible tragedy, but I'm hoping that these lower figures are correct -- and that the death toll does not significantly rise after search of the destruction is complete.
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    This video is making the rounds. In the midst of such death and devastation, this story provided some ray of happiness. Wait until 1:30 mark

    http://gawker.com/oklahoma-tornado-s...167?autoplay=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan5 View Post
    I hope those are not accurate reports. I've seen the number of confirmed deaths moved down to 24 from the initially reported 51 last night.
    Yes, both Svt and BBC has changed the numbers now. Let's hope it stops at 24, but it probably won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonfan View Post
    This video is making the rounds. In the midst of such death and devastation, this story provided some ray of happiness. Wait until 1:30 mark

    http://gawker.com/oklahoma-tornado-s...167?autoplay=1
    I was watching CBS this morning and saw that ... it brought tears to my eyes to watch that almost miraculous reunion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessLeppard View Post
    My school stuffs all the kids into the science rooms (lower floor, interior) and the hallways. Like rfisher says, in a direct hit, it's not going to do much good. And God/Ceiling Cat/Buddha/flying spaghetti monster forbid we ever have to get high schoolers in there quickly, because they just do. not. move.
    I once taught at a school with several of those portable metal buildings that are prevalent on many campuses. I wasn't in one of those but my classroom was in an outer pre-fab building. We had to go outside and move to the gym locker room for tornado drills. We had a couple of "for real" occasions to be in there for long periods. Smelly locker room, add smelly eighth graders, not good and not very safe either. It was just the best place in our situation. Even the main building had no interior hallways, just a few closets and lots of glass everywhere. That building has since been improved and the campus now has a safe room, but it's a separate building so the kids still have to go outside to reach it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfisher View Post
    Frankly, I doubt it would have made a lot of difference given the hit the school took. You have minutes to get to shelter. Tornados aren't like hurricanes where you have advance warning. A funnel can drop down out of rotational clouds in seconds. You usually have minutes before it hits. You can get kids against an interior wall in that amount of time. You can't get scores of people into a shelter and it still might not be effective. The biggest life savers are the storm chasers who are identifying a funnel and the warning systems especially at night. My dad has a weather radio which will blast out a warning at night. A shelter might protect you from flying debris in the tornado itself, but if a building is in the direct path, there really isn't much you can do except hold on and pray.
    F5s have been documented to remove asphalt off highways. Not much you can do against such power but to be well underground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by immoimeme View Post
    I'm still here and so far so good but let's see what today's weather brings :-P
    Very happy to read that you are okay! I was worried....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonfan View Post
    This video is making the rounds. In the midst of such death and devastation, this story provided some ray of happiness. Wait until 1:30 mark

    http://gawker.com/oklahoma-tornado-s...167?autoplay=1
    I just saw that video too. : Just to see how happy she is amid the rubble of her own house...

    So glad you're safe, agal and immoimeme!

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