Another article but nothing new. Just repeating the basic facts. I just thought it was interesting they listed only Chock/Bates and Tobias/Stagniunas. No Cappellini/Lanotte, of course they also failed to mention P&B's poor showing at Worlds also had to do with an injury and lack of training so maybe it means nothing but I am interested to hear what they think about it all.
Geese fight back.
It is hard for me to be unbiased about C/L. Do I like them because they skate so good or because they are so gorgeous to look at? I'm not sure.
Not going to lie, I really wanted the Shibutanis to move to Shpilband. He has coached them before (to a bronze medal at Worlds with Zueva) and the Shibs keep suffering because of TES issues. Their PCS aren't going to be as high as other teams so they do need to improve on that, but they can't afford to give away TES points that they used to be able to bank on either.
Plus, I think if one is going to argue that the judges are judging them incorrectly, then the burden of persuasion is on that person to show where and how the judges got it wrong. I mean making vague comments about them having no edging, skipping around, deserving to be out of the top 9 may be skating-related reasons, but I wouldn't necessarily call them substantive.
Anyway, someone who is actually a fan of Davis/White (I personally prefer Virtue/Moir much more myself) can take over for me because I have not scrutinized the evolution of Davis/White's skills to an extent that a dedicated fan or hater would have. I'm only going by my casual fan's observations and I definitely noticed a marked improvement from 2010 to 2013.
I've been paying plenty of attention to D/W's skating, and seeing them skate at Worlds in London further validated why I don't like their skating: bent knees and bodies in all their positions, scrappy stroking, over-the-top expression, and entirely forgettable programs that don't make any impact on me in the way of originality, creativity or difficulty.
Back to the thread topic, if we're going to compare D/W to to P/B, let's take a look by elements: D/W's so-called speed is not generated from soft knee bends and the blade, but rather, from the toe-picks, whereas P/B are regularly praised for their soft knees and as such, ability to generate fluid speed; D/W hop into their twizzles, which falsely creates the illusion of momentum, as compared to P/B's skating into and out of theirs; P/B's twizzles maintain speed and cover more ice, and they vary their arm movements to keep in character of their music, while D/W have been doing the exact same twizzle set (the added the hop in 2011); P/B's lifts, when show better balance and control on both their parts, and have them entering and exiting into them on one foot, and the general absence of clutching, grabbing and holding onto each other for dear life life D/W; and P/B's ability to interpret many different types of music and characters convincingly. I didn't much care for their Stones FD (because I didn't think it was overall as difficult as past FDs of theirs, but they were true to the theme.
P/B still lack the refinement and difficulty (in their lifts) to really challenge V/M, but with good material and cleaned up technique under Igor, they should be back on the podium next season.
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Totally agree with you here...titles should not be won by applause meter, but on the basis on actual content under the COP system. I think though there is still lots of ambiguity around the ice dance scoring as compared to the other disciplines. This is further perpetuated by the the mostly well-meaning but ignorant commentators, and utterly ignorant media.
Change for the sake of change isn't great either. It too bad the fans think that the same team winning for more than 2 seasons in a row is wrong somehow. It may be boring to some but for me it's more an indication of how strong technically and artistically certain teams are. I love seeing teams that are good enough to come back year after year and continue to improve and stay ahead of the pack. I realize that puts me in the minority. I hate the idea of taking turns and passing titles back and forth simply to keep up the excitement for the audience. How about really inform the audience about all the ins and outs of icedance. Not give informative commentary only to set it off/counter it with double standards and use of passive/aggressive barbs directed at the less popular teams/teams that the American audience might not appreciate as much. Remarks meant to make the audience think that some teams are better than they are and others are worse than they are.
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marathongirl76 - Most FSU posters put their comments under the quoted section of text. It makes the conversation easier to follow.
Also, there is a multi-quote feature: if you click that little box under each post with a quote sign and a plus sign, then hit "reply with quote" for the last post you want to quote, you will get a reply box featuring all three posts in separate quote boxes, so you can write underneath each one. Hope that makes sense.
I'm glad they are moving to Shpilband. K&P are great, but I think they are too emotionally involved with W&P to be 100% in P/B's corner.
Of course C/L are arguably greater competition for bronze now, but I don't see the same issues developing in Igor's camp.
Best of luck to all the teams this year!
"Puccini cries out for spirals, but really good ones." ~ Dick Button, 1998 Worlds