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    They're almost 10 points behind (total score) W & P but close to C & L and B & S (within 3 points). I know you can't compare scores across competitions, but it does seem that W & P have the edge whereas P & B, C & L, and B & S are more neck-and-neck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauravvv View Post
    Shpilband didn't choreograph this program, nor he was the author of the idea. They came to him with programs already choreographed by their usual choreographer Laurie May Ayivigan (SD) and the clown/mime artist Julien Cottereau with whom they collaborated for their 'Circus' and 'Chaplin' FDs before (FD), and Shpilband just made some changes to their step sequences.
    I've heard a couple of different versions of who was responsible for what, and most of them give most of the credit to Shpilband for the finished product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    What exactly is a cookie-cutter choreography? I don't get it.
    That the programs for everyone who works with the same choreographer end up looking the same, regardless of what they do or what the music is. Like cookies made with the same cookie-cutter all look the same.
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    I'm reserving judgment on the FD at this point, it's not my favorite thing that they've done but I do think it has potential.

    Quote Originally Posted by TwizzlerS View Post
    They're almost 10 points behind (total score) W & P but close to C & L and B & S (within 3 points). I know you can't compare scores across competitions, but it does seem that W & P have the edge whereas P & B, C & L, and B & S are more neck-and-neck.
    Most of that is the SD, and I believe the CoC calling was more strict with the Finnstep keypoints than at Skate America and especially Skate Canada. We'll have to wait for the GPF, I think, to see how the top teams stack up.

    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    I've heard a couple of different versions of who was responsible for what, and most of them give most of the credit to Shpilband for the finished product.
    I've haven't read any interview in which Shpilband was given most of the credit for the program, more for reworking certain elements and for technical work. In the IN interview, Pechalat said that "We showed him our programs, and he did not say a word about our choreography. Instead, he discussed the way our lifts were oriented and our position on the ice. We were striving at setting up something nice, while he was thinking about something efficient." It seems pretty clear that when they came to Shpilband they had a finished product and he didn't try to change it too much.

    I think Karine Arribert once said that Shpilband was quite supportive of what she was trying to do with Blanc/Bouquet. His own choreography might be more conventional than some people's, but it doesn't mean he doesn't appreciate and support other approaches, too.

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    I guess any assessment of how much Shpilband contributed depends on the point at which you would consider a program a "finished product".
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    Can anybody evaluate P/Bs Finnstepp and point out where they were lacking?

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    I think it is hard for me/us to say whether one Tech Specialist is more strict than the other unless we can see good close up and slow motion videos of the key points. For instance in looking at some of the Finnsteps at SC I thought the caller was pickier than at CoC. But that is only because I could see some of the points clearly on video. I did notice in the replays at CoC that Nathalie's chocktaw was not perfect.
    Calling Pattern Dances has a fair amount of subjectivity in it and I agree with many here that the Tech Specialist should NOT be a coach of dance teams participating in the GP series. It looked bad at SC having Chait being the Specialist when she is connected to so many dance teams either through being their base coach or through co-coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcnative View Post
    Can anybody evaluate P/Bs Finnstepp and point out where they were lacking?
    Hmmm they got two key points on the first sequence but none on the second so only Level 1 on that sequence. However they pretty much got positive GOEs throughout except for a couple of base values. I think it was okay but then the Finnstep is one of those dances I don't know much about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    Hmmm they got two key points on the first sequence but none on the second so only Level 1 on that sequence. However they pretty much got positive GOEs throughout except for a couple of base values. I think it was okay but then the Finnstep is one of those dances I don't know much about.
    Could you please elaborate on where did they miss the key points? I admit I only saw it once, I usually rewatch short dances to see where skaters might've missed key points, but I haven't had time with this one.

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    I think the tech callers at CoC were told to be harsher on the Finnstep patterns in response to the too lenient calling of SA and SC. I have a feeling the rest of the GP series will have harsh callings of the Finnstep levels from now on

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    Quote Originally Posted by casken View Post
    It's better than last year's FD though, that's for sure.
    ITA and maybe is from the same cookie cutter but they used another lovely form and make it delicious with right amount of sprinkles and spice I am just a fan but it was delightful to see something different among all Bolshoi Theater on Ice dances.

    Quote Originally Posted by casken View Post
    B&S had my fav FD until Zhulin butchered it.
    I am not sure if Zhulin was the butcher or he was advised to change it but i loved their original music choice and i am not a big fan of Big black bird fly costumes..
    Last edited by vivika1982; 11-06-2013 at 08:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivika1982 View Post
    I am not sure if Zhulin was the butcher or he was advised to change it but i loved their original music choice and i am not a big fan of Big black bird fly costumes..
    He said it was his idea, which 'came to him at night.'

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    He needs to stop eating spicy food before bedtime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    He needs to stop eating spicy food before bedtime.
    I vote for some potent sleeping pills to avoid further incidents altogether

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivika1982 View Post
    ITA and maybe is from the same cookie cutter but they used another lovely form and make it delicious with right amount of sprinkles and spice
    Lovely metaphor! Next time I see that FD, I'm gonna want to eat it

    I am not sure if Zhulin was the butcher or he was advised to change it but i loved their original music choice and i am not a big fan of Big black bird fly costumes.
    You mean the bat costumes? They somehow remind me of Khokhlova/Novitski's 2008 FD, the ugliest dance I've ever seen. I called them something like the "little bats" (the word I was using is actually untranslatable into English) and now B/S are totally the bats 2.0 for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    He said it was his idea, which 'came to him at night.'
    Thank you. I probably missed this interview. I don't mean to be disrespectful but did he have a nightmare. Go figure why people say that the mornings are wiser than the nights. Following your dreams is good but not in this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    He needs to stop eating spicy food before bedtime.
    Or he was cold and dreamed about being in dark stormy place chased by crows or other feathery creatures . Anyway, it is the beginning of the season and there is still time to change this and fix that for B/S or P/B. I liked The Little Prince and his rose and loved their seductive French finish to the Finnstep . Good luck to all

    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    Lovely metaphor! Next time I see that FD, I'm gonna want to eat it
    Last edited by vivika1982; 11-06-2013 at 10:31 PM.

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    I worried since it was Zhulin's vision, he'll be too stubborn to admit it isn't working and change it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    He needs to stop eating spicy food before bedtime.
    It might have been something more potent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tweak View Post
    I think the tech callers at CoC were told to be harsher on the Finnstep patterns in response to the too lenient calling of SA and SC. I have a feeling the rest of the GP series will have harsh callings of the Finnstep levels from now on
    How convenient for some teams.

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