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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffisjeff View Post
    Luckily, neither Jolie nor these other women need to listen to you or your advice. Their bodies, their lives, their choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffisjeff View Post
    Luckily, neither Jolie nor these other women need to listen to you or your advice. Their bodies, their lives, their choices.
    I never said everyone/anyone needs to listen to my "advice". I never gave an advice, it's my opinion,just like everyone else has an opinion. Of course I know it's her choice; no need to tell me that. Just because it reduced her chances of getting breast cancer, does it mean she cannot get another form of cancer? There is no scientific study that proves that. That's where I am coming from, but you won't see that logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    That's where I am coming from, but you won't see that logic.
    Not very logical, that's the problem. She was at incredible risk due to the mutated gene and family history of ovarian cancer. No one has any guarantee but she has reduced the likelihood she'll get breast cancer dramatically. I believe she's also contemplating an oophorectomy which is another proactive step. The surgery is not for everyone but for someone with her risk indicators it seems warranted.
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    Your 'logic' seems to be saying that since this surgery, which dramatically reduced her risk of two specific and deadly types of cancer from over 80% and over 50% to less than 5%, won't also magically reduce her risk of getting every single other cancer on the planet, which she is not specifically at risk for, she therefore should not have gotten the surgery.

    That makes no sense at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I never said everyone/anyone needs to listen to my "advice". I never gave an advice, it's my opinion,just like everyone else has an opinion. Of course I know it's her choice; no need to tell me that. Just because it reduced her chances of getting breast cancer, does it mean she cannot get another form of cancer? There is no scientific study that proves that. That's where I am coming from, but you won't see that logic.
    Having gone through a cancer scare recently, my new motto is to work on preventing disease as much as I can and then I have to let go .. live my life and deal with whatever else comes along and hope it's treatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarieM View Post
    Are you kidding me ??
    The Jolie-Pitts are one of the most successfull brand managed not by one but by at least 5 known publicists
    Actually, it's been reported repeatedly that Angelina herself does not have a publicist for things regarding her personal life. Any quotes or comments come directly from her, not a third party person speaking on her behalf.

    On the other hand, her Goodwill Ambassador role, Brad, and their organizations are a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    but you won't see that logic.
    I can't see what isn't there...
    Creating drama!

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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    Not very logical, that's the problem. She was at incredible risk due to the mutated gene and family history of ovarian cancer. No one has any guarantee but she has reduced the likelihood she'll get breast cancer dramatically. I believe she's also contemplating an oophorectomy which is another proactive step. The surgery is not for everyone but for someone with her risk indicators it seems warranted.
    She's still a young woman and may want to have more biological children, so she may delay this decision. Of course, she could have her eggs frozen, and then use in-vitro and a surrogate for later biological children.

    And she and Brad have mentioned possibly adopting another/more children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dardar1126 View Post
    She's still a young woman and may want to have more biological children, so she may delay this decision.
    Which makes it her decision.
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    Good for Jolie. Her choice and her body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    Which makes it her decision.
    Which is why I agreed with you.

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    Angelina Jolie’s double mastectomy highlights tough decisions on genetic screening http://bo.st/18IHG2G
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    Cancer is such an emotional, scary, unsettling thing. Since my own brush with it, I have met so many other people who have experienced terrible trials and tribulations with it...and they're still alive! It is wonderful what can be done these days.

    However, I did want to throw my opinion in the ring based on just what happened to me. I had a DCIS and had a lumpectomy for it. Prior to this lumpectomy, I had had an MRI and ultrasound as well as further diagnostic mammograms so the surgeon could get a good look at what was going on. However, the first lumpectomy found not only the DCIS but a stage 1, 1cm invasive tumor "hiding" behind the DCIS. My point is that all those tests and being vigilant and careful did not show the invasive tumor. It was a surprise to everyone, especially me! I feel very lucky, blessed, etc etc of course, but all the vigilance in the world wouldn't have saved me if that had not been found in a timely manner-by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimena View Post
    My sister also chose a double mastectomy in January. She developed duct carcinoma in situ at 46. Thankfully, they caught it really, really early. She preferred the double mastectomy to a lumpectomy followed by radiation and chemo. I think more women are choosing this now.
    I don't blame them. Chemo is a bitch. I had a teacher whose beloved wife died from the side effects of chemo. Not from the cancer itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Even though I like Jolie's humanitarian work, I find her double mastectomy an overkill, and a not so good judgment.

    I have heard of a few women doing this as a preventative measure, and I did not agree with them either (I don't personally know any of them). It is still better to just be very vigilant about the lump, and get the tests done annually. Also the double mastectomy does not guarantee that she will not get another kind of cancer in the future.
    Of course not, but if you had a nearly 90% chance of developing one particular kind of cancer, I would do everything in my power to prevent that. Shit can still happen and she can get another form of cancer, but at least she knows she would have done all she could to prevent the BRCA1-related breast cancer.

    Also, radiation and chemo can be more dangerous than surgery. Both are actually capable of CAUSING secondary tumors. I work in a lab that studies DNA repair, and we use both ionizing radiation and chemo drugs to f*ck up our cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alixana View Post
    Having gone through a cancer scare recently, my new motto is to work on preventing disease as much as I can and then I have to let go .. live my life and deal with whatever else comes along and hope it's treatable.
    Sorry about your cancer scare. I hope you overcome it.

    Is surgery the only way to prevent a disease? I would look into non-surgical preventative measures first. To me, surgery has always been the last resort. Removing a healthy part of a body does not make a lot of sense to me. If it's a diseased part, certainly I would seriously consider surgery, depending on the advice from medical professionals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I have heard of a few women doing this as a preventative measure, and I did not agree with them either (I don't personally know any of them). It is still better to just be very vigilant about the lump, and get the tests done annually. Also the double mastectomy does not guarantee that she will not get another kind of cancer in the future.
    So you find it overkill - are you familiar with her medical history? The results of her genetic tests? Are any of us really in a position to fully understand what she went through or know what medical information she was given?

    When the risk is as high as Jolie was told, sometimes you have to consider preventive measures of this sort; it's the same recommendation many women with the BRCA gene are given. Jolie is not considered high risk for other forms of cancer (except ovarian, and she's likely be taking steps to deal with that as well), so her concern is rightly with doing what she can to reduce the extremely high risk of breast cancer that this genetic mutation put her at. I am sure she will be screened for other forms of cancer as per her physicians' recommendation in the future. But her risk of breast cancer was high enough to warrant the consideration of more drastic measures, and AFAIK there is no fully reliable method for early detection of ovarian cancer. She made the choice she felt was best for herself and her family.

    I applaud her decision to do this and to share it, and her experience, with other people. This is an important message.

    Obligatory message: while awareness regarding breast cancer is relatively high and Jolie's essay will undoubtedly help as well, there is often less awareness regarding other types of cancer. Ask your doctor if there are any screenings and tests you should do, and if you're at risk for colorectal cancer or are over the age of 50 and have not yet been tested, get it done.
    Last edited by Zemgirl; 05-14-2013 at 08:22 PM. Reason: Rephrased the first part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Sorry about your cancer scare. I hope you overcome it.

    Is surgery the only way to prevent a disease? I would look into non-surgical preventative measures first. To me, surgery has always been the last resort. Removing a healthy part of a body does not make a lot of sense to me. If it's a diseased part, certainly I would seriously consider surgery, depending on the advice from medical professionals.
    Not with cancer, it isn't. Think of it as already diseased - it just hasn't manifested into a malignant tumor yet. Safe, effective gene therapy on an adult human is probably still decades away.

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    That's the thing, Vash. It was a part of her body that had an almost 90% chance of being diseased in the future.

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    Here is a balanced article that discusses pros and cons.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/opinio...omy/index.html

    I agree with the writer- here in the USA we want zero risk (or as close to 0 as possible). We have physical bodies. They are going to deteriorate in different ways. Disease, old age, death are realities of life. At some point we have to accept that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Here is a balanced article that discusses pros and cons.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/opinio...omy/index.html

    I agree with the writer- here in the USA we want zero risk (or as close to 0 as possible). We have physical bodies. They are going to deteriorate in different ways. Disease, old age, death are realities of life. At some point we have to accept that.
    While it is true that mammograms are recommended in the US at a younger age than in most countries, preventive mastectomy for women with the BRCA mutation is not limited to the US. This is not about zero risk; it's about reducing an almost certainty of a serious, life-threatening illness to a more manageable risk. The other option for Jolie would be frequent screenings while living with the knowledge that there is a near certainty of getting breast cancer - in which case, the best case scenario is recovery after very difficult treatment (including surgery), and the worst case scenario is dying young like her own mother.

    I am sure this is not what you mean, but if we're all just meant to accept that the sort of health issues you write about are inevitable, why have preventive screenings at all? Why do genetic testing? Why treat certain conditions and certain people aggressively? I don't understand what you're advocating here. Sometimes the best course of action is conservative, but in some cases it's not. Jolie has done nothing groundbreaking, medically speaking; what's unique is that she's using her fame to draw attention to the matter, knowing that people will judge and criticize her decision. That's brave and worthy of admiration.

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    I say great for her.

    I'm sure a lot of women get flack for considering this, are probably put under immense pressure not to do this...so a huge star, known for her sex appeal and beauty admitting to this, at a young age, will make it so much easier for other younger women to do if they need to. No one will be able to tell a woman that her sex appeal will be gone after having it done, after seeing that there really is nothing different about Angelina. Knowing your mother died young, knowing that you are most definitely going to get it, well, breasts are not that important compared to being around for your children and family. Good for her for shining more light on this type of situation.... and yes, i know she had reconstruction which makes it different compared to many others...

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