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    Rank the 1 time World or Olympic Champions of the last 40 years

    Figure skating has produced quite alot of 1 time World or Olympic winners in the last 40 years. Here is the list in chronological order:

    Ladies- Magnussen, Errath, DeLeeuw, Biellmann, Zayak, Sumners, Thomas, Ito, Trenary, Sato, Chen, Butyrskaya, Hughes, Meissner, Kostner. So 15 women total unless I am missing someone.
    Men- Tickner, Cousins, Fadeyev, Orser, Urmanov, Eldredge, Kulik, Joubert, Buttle, Takahashi. 10 men total.
    Pairs- Babiliona & Gardner, Cherkasova & Shahkrai, Vorobieva & Lisovsky, Baess & Theirbach, Underhill & Martini, Brasseur & Eisler, Shishkova & Naumov, Kovarikova & Novotny, Eltsova & Bushkov, Woetzel & Stuer, Petrova & Tikhonov. 11 pairs total.
    Dance- Regoczy & Sallay, Duchensay & Duchensay, Usova & Zhulin Fusar Poli & Margalio, Lobacheva & Averbuhk, Bourne & Kraatz, Delobel & Schoenfeldner, Domnina & Shabalin. 8 dance total, by far the lowest.

    How would you rank the various 1 time World and Olympic Champions from the very best downwards.
    Last edited by judgejudy27; 05-09-2013 at 03:11 AM. Reason: added Usova & Zhulin

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    Ladies:

    1. Ito- way ahead of her time in jumps, and an amazing skater in everyway other than her spirals.
    2. Biellmann- way ahead of her time in many ways as well, first to do a triple lutz and 4 different triples, amazing spins, inventor of the Biellmann spin, and a very long and successful pro career.
    3. Chen- was unlucky to not win more than 1 title. One of the all time best artistic skaters.
    4. Kostner- has her detractors but was around for a very long time and won alot of medals in a tough era. Could leave this group by winning her 2nd Worlds at the post Olympic Worlds next year if she goes (or winning in Sochi but that is less likely).
    5. Thomas- her rivalry with Witt was legendary and was arguably the best all around skater of her time with outstanding figures, great athletic ability and technically superb jumps, very strong spins, and with an excellent line and very strong basic skating.
    6. Magnussen- was a consistent top finisher in the era of the greatest ever compulsory figures skater and the greatest ever free skater.
    7. Sato- mostly for her outstanding pro career, and for being a skaters skater.
    8. Errath- her presence on the ice was very nice, and she used her arms and moved in a very stylish way, and she had an excellent double axel, and was probably the strongest in doing triples at the time.
    9th. Sumners/Zayak- just going to tie them to avoid getting involved in the fan wars. Both contributed to the sport greatly in totally different ways.

    ------big gap-----

    the above 10 are all very strong, and from her it gets alot weaker:

    11. Butyrskaya- did well to win 1 Worlds in a weak transition year for the sport. Was an outside contender for years, but not a consistent gold medal threat though.
    12. Trenary- kind of similar to above.
    13. Hughes- shock winner of Olympic Gold with skate of her life.
    14. Meissner- same as above, except Worlds instead of Olympics, and wasnt as consistent a top 3/4 skater in the World as Hughes.
    15. DeLeeuw- hate her skating.


    I will do the other disciplines some other time.

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    Men:

    1. Cousins- just an incredible skater.
    2. Orser- Mr. 2nd place, but was a far bigger force than that, and got very unlucky not to win a couple more big titles.
    3. Kulik- one of the most talented skaters ever, way underachieved.
    4. Urmanov- had potential to do alot more. Some inconsistency and bad luck with injuries. Excellent artistic skater and jumper as well.
    5. Buttle- wonderful skater, hindered by lack of quad and consistency on jumps. Should have continued after World title.
    6. Takahashi- I dont rate his skating as highly as some but he probably was unlucky to get injured in the summer of 2008, and might well have dominated the next few years including winning the Oly Gold if he hadnt, and was robbed blind of another World title in 2012 in one of the worst decisions ever.
    7. Tickner- wonderful skater, but was unlucky to be in era of superior free skater (Cousins) and many great figures specialists. Barely won World title year he won.
    8. Fadeyev- had many chances to win a 2nd World title but just couldnt do it. I dont like his skating as much as some others on this list though.
    9. Joubert- was a great jumper who has great longevity and many achievements in the sport. Again just dont like his overall skating as much though.
    10. Eldredge


    Pairs:

    1. Underhill & Martini
    2. Babilionia & Gardner
    3. Brasseur & Eisler
    4. Shishkova & Naumov
    5. Kovarikova & Novotny
    6. Baess & Theirbach
    7. Petrova & Tikhonov

    ------big gap-----

    the above 7 are all very strong. The remaining not so much:

    8. Eltsova & Bushkov
    9. Cherkasova & Shakrai
    10. Vorobieva & Lisovsky
    11. Woetzel & Stuer



    Dance:

    1. Usova & Zhulin
    2. Recogzy & Sallay
    3. Duchensays
    4. Bourne & Kraatz
    5. Delobel & Schoenfelder
    6. Domnina & Shabalin
    7. Lobacheva & Averubhk
    8. Fusar Poli & Margalio

    In this case all but the first 3 are kind of weakish World Champions actually.

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    Ladies:

    1. Colledge
    2. Ito
    3. Biellmann
    4. Zayak
    5. Magnussen

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    In the case I went all time I would also pick Colledge as #1. She would have been the 1940 and 1944 Olympic Champion without the War as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Ladies:
    5. Thomas- her rivalry with Witt was legendary and was arguably the best all around skater of her time with outstanding figures, great athletic ability and technically superb jumps, very strong spins, and with an excellent line and very strong basic skating.
    Thomas did not have that great of a 3loop (the landings were just barely hung on) and the salchow was not her friend in 88 and often two-footed. She looked athletic but I would not say she had "technically superb jumps".

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    I'm going to only include the skaters I know, which are most of the ones from the mid-'80s onward.

    LADIES

    Ito
    Thomas
    Chen
    Biellmann
    Sumners
    Zayak
    Butyrskaya
    Sato
    Kostner
    Hughes
    Meissner
    Trenary

    MEN

    Orser
    Kulik
    Takahashi
    Urmanov
    Joubert
    Buttle
    Eldredge

    PAIRS

    Underhill & Martini
    Brasseur & Eisler
    Shishkova & Naumov
    Kovarikova & Novotny
    Petrova & Tikhonov
    Woetzel & Steuer
    Eltsova & Bushkov

    DANCE

    Usova & Zhulin
    Bourne & Kraatz
    Duschesnay & Duschesnay
    Lobacheva & Averbukh
    Delobel & Schoenfelder
    Fusar-Poli & Margaglio
    Domnina & Shabalin

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    Midori Ito for women
    Orser for men

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    Top 3 women: Ito, Chen and Thomas

    4.Biellmann
    5. Bute
    6. Kostner
    7. Sato
    8. Sumners
    9. Zayak
    10. Trenary
    11. Hughes
    12. Meissner

    I didn't include pro careers for anyone that might apply to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    Ladies:

    1. Colledge
    2. Ito
    3. Biellmann
    4. Zayak
    5. Magnussen
    Biellmann was a weak amateur skater so should not be included. She was a great pro skater. She won her Worlds in a weak transition year with a low quality event. She wasnt even a contender most of her career and could win only 1 World medal and 0 Olympic medals.

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    Biellman was "a weak amateur skater" in the sense that she was inconsistent, but her LP at Lake Placid blew away her competitors, and demonstrated what a talented free skater she really was. I'm not that fond of most of Biellman's pro programs; she seemed to spend a lot of time doing cw backward crossovers in those.

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    Biellmann was a butch pro skater for sure. Like a man wearing a female bodysuit, and given the flexability only a women could realistically be blessed with. I suppose if one looked past that her skills were still mighty impressive, especialy for her age. She was the best free skater in the World as an amateur from 78-81 but was done in like many before her by figures.

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    I don't think it makes for accurate rankings to consider Kostner. She is the only one who might win one more. Because Sumners missed spins in some programs, she should be below Hughes and maybe Meissner too.

    LADIES

    Ito
    Thomas
    Chen
    Zayak
    Butyrskaya
    Sato
    Biellmann
    Trenary
    Hughes
    Sumners
    Meissner

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Biellmann was a butch pro skater for sure. Like a man wearing a female bodysuit, and given the flexability only a women could realistically be blessed with.
    Classy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    Classy.
    I think there is nothing wrong with observing the androgyny/bisexuality of Biellman. She was almost like Elvis Stojko crossed with the appearance of a middle aged Jane Fonda and the female flexibility of Lucinda Ruh.

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    Glancing at people's choices in Ladies, a lot of you had Sumners and Zayak even or Zayak ahead. Confirms my theory that she had a more lasting impact on the sport than her rival in the day, whom the USFSA preferred and was an Olympic medalist

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    Sumners had an elegant look, but she was a mediocre skater. Comparing her to Tiffany Chin and Zayak at the 1984 Olympics, I want to say Rosalynn was the third best American.

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    Sumners definitely has not stood the test of time well. Sumners and Trenary are two skaters who seem to be viewed most unfavorably by people today. Then again who knows if even back in her glory days wheter fans ever appreciated her skating as much as the Dick Buttons of the World and judges did either. There was no internet then so hard to know really.

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    1. Rosalynn Sumners- I think she was the best skater of this list since she was so artistic. The most artistic skater ever along with Janet Lynn, and also a very strong jumper.
    2. Denise Biellmann
    3. Midori Ito
    4. Debratha Thomas
    5. Karen Magnussen


    1. Orser, 2. Fadeyev, 3. Takahashi, 4. Kulik, 5. dunno, someone else.


    1. Underhill & Martini
    2. Brasseur & Eisler
    3. Baess & Theirbach
    4. Kovarikova & Novotny
    5. Shishkova & Naumov


    Dance: 1. Usova & Zhulin, 2. Recogzy & Salloy, 3. Bourne & Kraatz, 4. Duchairys, 5. Delobel & Schoenfelder

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Sumners definitely has not stood the test of time well. Sumners and Trenary are two skaters who seem to be viewed most unfavorably by people today. Then again who knows if even back in her glory days wheter fans ever appreciated her skating as much as the Dick Buttons of the World and judges did either. There was no internet then so hard to know really.
    OT, but Dick and Peggy's gushing over Rosalynn got nauseating after a while, especially when they would poo-poo Elaine's skating as 'a bunch of triples'. Today, I was bored and watched a bunch of old Zayak performances on Youtube and it was refreshing to listen to the Canadian broadcasters gush over Zayak's transitions and combos. Ironically, I never heard things like that from the commentators in her own country.

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