Page 7 of 9 FirstFirst ... 56789 LastLast
Results 121 to 140 of 175
  1. #121

    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Sleep in heavenly peace, my BH
    Posts
    11,830
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    3986
    She has a leg wrap on her jumps that she didn't have before the injury.

  2. #122
    Port de bras!!!
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Ravenclaw
    Posts
    30,105
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    33052
    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Or maybe (just a thought) it's a result of her just having returned to skating after a bad injury. ;P
    That's reasonable of course, but you may have noticed that everyone's been spinning like molasses for the last season or so. I hate that rule.
    "Nature is a damp, inconvenient sort of place where birds and animals wander about uncooked."

    from Speedy Death

  3. #123

    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    3,176
    vCash
    400
    Rep Power
    32148
    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    That's reasonable of course, but you may have noticed that everyone's been spinning like molasses for the last season or so. I hate that rule.
    Which rule change in spins is this? I can't seem to remember what the changes were.

  4. #124
    Title-less
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Posts
    8,764
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    6417
    I watched it on my big computer last week and the spins looked slow and labored. However I just watched it on
    My handheld which can stream this more smoothly and in sync and her spins all had good to v good speed. Even the music sounded
    less princessy

  5. #125
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    11
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    I saw Alissa last night at Scott Hamilton's benefit show in Cleveland. I'm a big fan of Alissa's, but I'm sad to report that she doesn't look like she has any chance whatsoever to take that third spot for the Olympic team. She was only able to land two single axles. The first looked like an aborted attempt at a two axle, and the second one wasn't even an attempt at a double. She also almost lost it on one of her spins. Otherwise, she was beautiful and elegant as ever.

  6. #126

    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Sleep in heavenly peace, my BH
    Posts
    11,830
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    3986
    Sectionals is in two weeks. If she can't even land a 2a, she may not even make it to Nationals.

  7. #127
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Hong Kong
    Posts
    11,168
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    Sectionals is in two weeks. If she can't even land a 2a, she may not even make it to Nationals.
    Then again, exhibition lighting can be very distracting.

  8. #128

    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Sleep in heavenly peace, my BH
    Posts
    11,830
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    3986
    Alissa is 26 and after all those years of exhibition skating, she should be used to the lighting.

  9. #129

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    1,158
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    4049
    To be fair, some people never adjust to show lights.

  10. #130
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Holland - Land of the Dutch
    Age
    37
    Posts
    396
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    It could be a case of taking it easy to save everything for competitions.

  11. #131
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Miami, FL, USA
    Posts
    6,930
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Who knows. We will find out at Sectionals later this month.

    I find it odd that people were reporting that over the summer, she had every triple jump back up to the loop, and we are not seeing any evidence of it today. Has she perhaps re-injured herself? Also, John Coughlin was back on the ice 3 months after recovering from surgery on a torn labrum. It seems to be taking Czisny over a year to recover from the same injury

    Has there been any conjecture or speculation as to what's going on?

  12. #132
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    11,012
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Also, John Coughlin was back on the ice 3 months after recovering from surgery on a torn labrum. It seems to be taking Czisny over a year to recover from the same injury
    Injury at the same place- not necessarily same injury. Perhaps Czisny's was more severe? Total speculation but: Super flexibility makes joints less stable, so that may also be affecting the healing in her hips; the non-injured ligaments/tendons are loose and don't 'hold' everything together. Coughlin likely has tighter tendons/ligaments/whatever in his hip joint which promoted stable healing.

  13. #133
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Dashing Between Bennetton and Krispy Kreme
    Posts
    2,451
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Reading this thread makes me so sad for Alissa.

    Her best chance to make an Olympic Team was probably in 2006. There was talk of a potential medal at the Torino Games, too.

    After she had done so well on the Grand Prix circuit that season, placing 2nd at Skate America and winning Skate Canada, Czisny's nerves got the better of her at US Nationals.

    Her journey over the last decade really underlines just how difficult the sport is. She works hard, but the jumps have always been a question mark.

    Whatever the outcome later this season, Alissa will still be able to look back on her eligible career with a tremendous sense of achievement.

    Above all, her style and grace have been strong selling points along with beautiful costumes and mature musical interpretation.

  14. #134
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Two-foot skating = BAD
    Posts
    20,458
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    I think Czisny's problem was being taught terrible jump technique at an early age. She's been reworking her jumps with Dungjen and Sato but there's only so much you can do once the muscle memory is so well entrenched. You can make changes but it's a hard and slow process.

    She will probably never compete at the Olympics but she'll be remembered as one of the most elegant and graceful skaters ever and she can probably earn a decent living from show skating after she retires.

  15. #135

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    29,550
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    41455
    Quote Originally Posted by Joubabe View Post
    I saw Alissa last night at Scott Hamilton's benefit show in Cleveland.
    Kristi Yamaguchi's backstage photo of Alissa: http://instagram.com/p/gPEwH7Evc-/

    ETA link to a new thread I started for the 2013 show: "An Evening with Scott Hamilton & Friends" Ice Show & Gala in Cleveland, OH
    Last edited by Sylvia; 11-04-2013 at 07:48 PM.
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

  16. #136
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    317
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    Injury at the same place- not necessarily same injury. Perhaps Czisny's was more severe? Total speculation but: Super flexibility makes joints less stable, so that may also be affecting the healing in her hips; the non-injured ligaments/tendons are loose and don't 'hold' everything together. Coughlin likely has tighter tendons/ligaments/whatever in his hip joint which promoted stable healing.
    John Coughlin has significantly more body mass and muscle mass than Czisny, and this would enable him to displace muscle load onto neighboring muscle and tendon fibers not only during the pre-diagnosed injury stage, but also during recovery.

    Interesting article this weekend:
    "Women's Flexibilty is a Liability". This NYTimes article focuses on yoga injury issues, but its point is on hyper-flexibility. I think it certainly carries over into figure skating and probably gymnastics as well.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/su...yoga.html?_r=0

  17. #137

    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    2,658
    vCash
    532
    Rep Power
    16524
    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Who knows. We will find out at Sectionals later this month.

    I find it odd that people were reporting that over the summer, she had every triple jump back up to the loop, and we are not seeing any evidence of it today. Has she perhaps re-injured herself? Also, John Coughlin was back on the ice 3 months after recovering from surgery on a torn labrum. It seems to be taking Czisny over a year to recover from the same injury

    Has there been any conjecture or speculation as to what's going on?
    I am not sure if you realise how bad the injury is and how serious the operation is. To repair labral tear (through keyhole surgery) they have to pull the hip out of the hip socket. The hip will never feel the same. I had the same surgery a week before Alissa. I was on the ice about 3-4 months after the surgery, but being on the ice does not mean that I was able to jump. I am not an elite skater, I am only adult skater and before the surgery had all my singles minus the axel. Since the surgery I have not been able to jump at all; I had to switch to a solo dance. My hip feels a bit like if you wear big shoes - everything feels fine and then suddenly when you least expect it something inside there moves (like if the hip socket is too big for the hip). The hip is a bit unstable and I was warned that from then on I will be prone to hip dislocation. Luckily I have not dislocated it yet, and neither did John Coughlin. However, if you remember, Alissa was not so lucky and on her first competition she dislocated the hip and had to have another surgery to put the hip back into its socket, so that would obviously seriously delay her comeback. Also, John Coughlin is a pair skater so all he needs is two triples. In comparison, Alissa needs full set of triples, therefore she must be practising them much more and her return would be much slower than his. If you imagine that landing a jump means an impact on your hips and knees of 4-6 times your body weight, although Alissa is a very slim lady, during every training she needs to do quite a few jumps and that is definitely not helping her hip.

  18. #138
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    395
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    I find it odd that people were reporting that over the summer, she had every triple jump back up to the loop, and we are not seeing any evidence of it today. Has she perhaps re-injured herself? Also, John Coughlin was back on the ice 3 months after recovering from surgery on a torn labrum.
    It depends what you mean by "had every triple jump back." An icenetwork article published end of August reported on Czisny's training. In it, Dungjen said Czisny's double Axel and triple toe were "going well," and she was landing flips and Lutzes "pretty much everyday," but they still had to get her back in shape to do programs.

  19. #139
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Two-foot skating = BAD
    Posts
    20,458
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Thank you for all this insight hanca. Hopefully you are going to get your jumps back eventually.

  20. #140

    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    2,658
    vCash
    532
    Rep Power
    16524
    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Thank you for all this insight hanca. Hopefully you are going to get your jumps back eventually.
    Thank you very much. One has to be realistic. I probably won't be able to jump ever again. I have to admit that it did make me quite upset at first, but at least I can still skate and there is still plenty of things I can do and I can still improve a lot (compulsory dances, free dance, field moves). There is no point of feeling sorry for myself; it would be much worse if I couldn't skate at all. THAT would be REALLY upsetting! I know, this sound so sensible - it took me a while before I accepted this. Trust me, I tried to jump several times, but the price was not being able to walk (and skate) properly for a week afterwards - it was not worth it! Saying that, both Coughlin and Czisny are elite skaters, so their conditioning would have been much better and therefore their outcome may also be much better than mine. I am also not as slim as Alissa so the impact on my joints would be much bigger than on her joints, and for sure I don't have as much muscle mass as Coughlin, so they do have better chances.

Page 7 of 9 FirstFirst ... 56789 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •