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    10. Katarina Witt- I know this sounds funny but in early 80s she was part of pushing womens jumps along with Zayak, Biellmann, and Ito. In 1982 she was doing the hardest jump layout of any women in the World with 5 triples including a triple flip (Zayak was doing 6 but mostly just triple toes).
    Sorry, but no. In 1984, Zayak did about as many 5 triple programs as Witt did her whole career. When Witt did the 3F it was accompanied by three 3T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    Sorry, but no. In 1984, Zayak did about as many 5 triple programs as Witt did her whole career.
    I liked a post that floskate made a few years ago about Zayak's 1982 Worlds FS. He pointed out that she landed two triple toes in quick succession, a double lutz-triple toe, a triple toe in combination with two split jumps, and two triple salchows (one of which was in combination with single jumps). In its own way, that program had plenty of variation as far as triple jumps are concerned.

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    ^ Zayak also had a true Triple Toe Walley (right inside edge with counter rotation), not just 3T (right outside edge).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazmeen View Post
    If you are talking about 5 triple skaters who regularly landed those jumps with proper edges (or at least near proper edges), I think the list would narrow down to the following (and I just shortened the original list, no particular order of greatness claimed here):

    Midori Ito
    Yu Na Kim
    Tonya Harding
    Irina Slutskaya
    Kristi Yamaguchi
    Michelle Kwan
    Surya Bonaly (and I'm not quite sure here)

    If I missed a couple, please add them.
    Huh? Kwan didn't have a true lutz, and Kim doesn't have a loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shine View Post
    Huh? Kwan didn't have a true lutz, and Kim doesn't have a loop.
    Yuna had a triple loop in 2008-09 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riveredge View Post
    Yuna had a triple loop in 2008-09 season.
    But the period was too short and it was inconsistency.

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    Malinina had all 5 triples with correct edge take off and her jumps were pretty big.

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    1. Yu Na Kim
    2. Midori Ito
    3. Irina Slutskaya
    4. Tonya Harding
    5. Elaine Zayak
    6. Miki Ando
    7. Tatiana Malinina
    8. Elizabeth Manley
    9. Tara Lipinski
    10. Maria Butyrskaya

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    I would definitely have Joannie Rochette on the list. I felt all of her jumps (and she did them all except the triple axel) were high and strong. I especially thought she had a beautiful salchow and loop and she did correct the take off on her lutz and after that I don't ever remember her having an edge call or under rotated jump.
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    Joannie's problem is her lack of 3-3 combos (or something like a 3 axel in place) and her inconsistency. People can say Rochette is a better jumper than Asada, well in a sense maybe, but who collects more on points per jumps per competition. It would be Asada and it wouldnt be close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I truly have a hard time understanding what makes Mao Asada such a great jumper. Is the 3axel really worth that much? Take that away and what are you left with? A skater with a good 3flip and 3loop and a nice double axel. Her 3salchow is inconsistent at best and her 3lutz has never even been a lutz. The 3toe has never had good technique, either. Honestly, she deserves credit for the 3axel but Mao is not even CLOSE to being one of the top 10 jumpers of all time and I wouldn't even put her in the top 20. That is just being blinded by one jump.
    Name the 20 you would have over her. Yes I would say a 3axel is worth that much when only 5 women in history do it, and nobody does it as often as her (even if Ito does hers much better when she does).

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    In terms of quality and correct technique I can only think of five:

    Harding
    Malinina
    Kwan
    Rochette and ...
    Angela Nikodinov

    The latter three all had a period of flutzing but generally had solid technique.

    I'm surprised Angela hasn't been mentioned at all yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    But the period was too short and it was inconsistency.
    If that's the criteria, then you can argue with all the skaters on that list. Because they had their own issues as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by all_empty View Post
    In terms of quality and correct technique I can only think of five:

    Harding
    Malinina
    Kwan
    Rochette and ...
    Angela Nikodinov

    The latter three all had a period of flutzing but generally had solid technique.

    I'm surprised Angela hasn't been mentioned at all yet.
    So Ito, Kim, and Slutskaya are excluded while Kwan and Nikodinov are included. That is funny. Slutskaya had sketchy technique in some ways perhaps, but in what way did Ito or Kim have flawed technique, especialy compared to flutzing not powerful jumping Kwan and Angela. No Angela did not have great jumps, they were not that big and she flutzed, and often didnt carry much flow out, and was really inconsistent too.

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    Joannie Rochette should be considered in the discussion (save for the triple lutz, her other 4 triples were of very good quality).

    Joannie did have 3 toe loop - 3 salchow sequence later in her career. Surprisingly, despite good speed on takeoff and height, her running edge on the landings were not as long as her competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    ^ Zayak also had a true Triple Toe Walley (right inside edge with counter rotation), not just 3T (right outside edge).
    I'd like to see that. Is there a video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenway2 View Post
    I would rank Kerrigan's jumps ahead of other American skaters like Yamaguchi and Lipinski. But when I read this question, quality not consistency came to mind.
    Kerrigan didnt do as difficult of jumps though in addition to less consistent. Kristi in her long program did a triple lutz-triple toe and a 2nd triple lutz really late, and lots of jumps out of split leaps and difficult entrances. Some think even had Nancy skated cleanly at the 1992 Olympics long skate even after Kristi's mistakes, Kristi would have still won since her jump layout even with 2 major triple misses is worth more than Nancy doing all 7 of hers. Tara also did much harder jumpers than Nancy in addition to more consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822
    I truly have a hard time understanding what makes Mao Asada such a great jumper. Is the 3axel really worth that much? Take that away and what are you left with? A skater with a good 3flip and 3loop and a nice double axel. Her 3salchow is inconsistent at best and her 3lutz has never even been a lutz. The 3toe has never had good technique, either. Honestly, she deserves credit for the 3axel but Mao is not even CLOSE to being one of the top 10 jumpers of all time and I wouldn't even put her in the top 20. That is just being blinded by one jump.
    When it comes to Mao, I think it's more what she was capable of around 2008 and not what she does now. And that was more than the 3A. Back than, Mao was doing 3A, 3F-3T AND 3F-3Lo all in one program! That's probably one of the hardest layouts ever attempted and simply amazing. How many ladies could do 3-3 combinations with both the 3T and the 3Lo as the second jump?

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